RE: A disgraceful god
May 3, 2021 at 8:04 am
(This post was last modified: May 3, 2021 at 8:14 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(May 2, 2021 at 4:28 pm)edial Wrote:The simple utterance of that last bit as a fact, to some, would be an explicit invocation of an immoral fact. Things in the world, or about the world, aren't always the way that we believe they should be. It can be true that so and so is such and such a way - and that can be bad. If it's true the the author of creation's restorative scheme was necessitated on vicarious redemption, for example. Let's assume it is. That christ, in short, is true - then I can't have any part in that.
(May 2, 2021 at 4:19 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: If you put your head into an atheist's mindset for a moment, you'll see that a lot of what appears justified or good to a theist can appear downright immoral to an atheist.
There were many wars in God's name and there is much, much corruption among churches ... that however does not change the facts about Christ and God.
It would be ethically repugnant, and I have plenty of opportunities to be ethically repugnant already, without adding that whopper to the pile. That's before we even get into the details of what we're stringing up jews for. Does it cover the sin of touching ourselves? Is that something that I do that some other person had to die for, according to a god? Or is it just the mere fact of my having been born, somehow, fundamentally, from the moment that the first human was born and until the last human dies, just being incurs a debt that can only be satisfied by killing the better man?
I don't expect you to see any of this in this way - and you certainly don't have to argue any of these points with me. This is just to help you see why belief is a nonstarter. It is, frankly, a relief to me that there isn't any creature with those abilities and those predilections dictating the states of affairs relevant to human life and being. If I could be compelled to believe it were true, it would still be bad.
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