RE: Right of freedom of religion should not be a human right
May 24, 2021 at 2:52 pm
(This post was last modified: May 24, 2021 at 2:54 pm by Drich.)
(May 24, 2021 at 12:35 pm)Brian37 Wrote:why? if the government cant make laws against religion, then if people who hold those offices decide to have a religious litmus test isn't saying you can't have one the same as the government telling you what you can or can not believe? in a truly free society the religious can take their religion to office as freely as the atheist can abstain from it in office.(May 24, 2021 at 12:22 pm)Drich Wrote: re-tart. freedom of religion is also freedom from... religion. the admend reads Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. which means the government should have no say in what ever you do or do not believe. how is that not a right?
I agree our government has no say in what you do or do not believe. But it also does not have the right to enforce religious litmis tests to hold office, or set up religious laws that promote social pecking orders. Thus the oath of office "no religious test".
Quote:If for example a Muslim born in the United States were of legal age to run for President, and that she or he managed to convince the population to vote for them, that AMERICAN would be legally entitled to hold public office.....and?
Quote:I am not arguing entitlement here other than the entitlement to file to run. That person, Muslim, or Buddhist, or Hindu, or atheist, ect, would still have to make the argument to the public that they are worthy of holding that office. That is the purpose of running and appealing to the public.you understand we are already electing atheist, muslims buddhists in both sides of congress right? that they are not made to swear allegiance to god..
Quote:There was a time in America nobody would consider Jews or Catholics for Public office.you didn't live in that time. there are few alive who did. why must the current church and believer alive today be punished for how non believers were treated almost 100 years ago?
Quote: But we've had atheists and gays and Muslims in our congress since.some even argue as president as well.
Quote:So what is it you personally mean by "Congress should have no say in whatever you do or do not believe"?Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
Quote:Drich, I have read enough of your posts over the years to know what you mean by this, because it is the same argument I get from all the world's religions.you should know what i mean by this as it is a quote from the first amendment.
Quote:"I am willing to leave you alone since you are the minority, as long as you accept I am the majority". In the west it should not be about protecting social pecking orders, in the west, it is about putting people in government that are willing to be neutral on religious issues and to work for everyone, not just a majority.i mean it says there can be no national religion including atheism nor a move to preserve neutrality by eliminating all expressions of religion. rather if our religious belief compels us to bring a prayer into the government or bring out laws then we should be allowed to do so. let the people vote us out or in as they see fit. not by laws that restrict the free practice there of...
(May 24, 2021 at 2:13 pm)Macoleco Wrote:(May 24, 2021 at 11:56 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Humans may not always teach their children well, but the alternative is to have the state teach what is currently the domain of parents. I don't see how that can be done in a way that's compatible with liberty.
People are brainwashed since they are children in order to make them believe a religion. Nobody believes in a religion spontaneously. This is against the freedom the thought. Specially when you consider that religion has no evidence for what it claims, is known to be a weapon of control, etc. This is a violation against a human right.
The right of Freedom of religion violates another right fundamentally.
so who are you to force that thought or line of thinking on to anyone? "don't buy the churchs brain washing buy into mine.."