RE: Why do you not believe in the concept of a God?
June 1, 2021 at 1:06 pm
(This post was last modified: June 1, 2021 at 2:12 pm by Brian37.)
(June 1, 2021 at 12:35 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: God has His plan, His will. Those who want to follow Him, must abandon their plans and will. And thats isn't something I'm willing to do.
Agreed. If there was a god, certainly it can treat me like a poker chip, a lab rat, but that doesn't mean for me at least, I have to put up with authoritarianism.
Why should I submit, in any relationship to the concept of " There is nothing you can do or say, you can only do anything I want."
The worst dictators in in human history had the ability to treat people kindly, Hitler, Stalin, Po Pot, even Kim Jong Un is willing to treat you well, but only if you blindly kiss is ass and never question them.
God treats his loyalists well, but one lick of doubt, even if your only crime is not believing, even if you go your entire life never being violent, you burn in hell. That is not morality, that is evil.
If anyone has ever watched documentaries on circuses or zoos or animal acts why is it you get these clips sometimes of an elephant or tiger or some other dangerous animal that suddenly goes ape shit on the trainer? Then you get the clips of the caretakers saying, "We didn't expect this".
I am glad there is no "Celestial Big Brother" as Hitchens put it. I really fucking hate the idea of an all seeing, Orwellian "celestial North Korea", as Hitchens put it.
The idea that there is this ultimate cosmic camera in the sky, that watches my every move, and will only give me favor if I kiss his ass blindly, is a vile concept.
(June 1, 2021 at 1:04 pm)johndoe122931 Wrote:(June 1, 2021 at 12:48 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: Johndoe: Why?Well, I can definitely agree with you there.
To be honest with you. It's hard to do(abandon your own will). Insanely hard. It's much easier to survive till the end. And thats what I have been unconsciously, consciously trying to do.
But that is the problem with the supernatural claim of all knowing and all seeing and having ultimate control.
The earthy concept of making choices without a God claim, makes sense. It isn't that other's actions cant affect you beyond your control, they can. One can drive a car for decades, obey the traffic laws, and one day go through an intersection with a green light, only to be T-boned by someone else speeding who runs the red light. Both made choices, but the one trying to do the right thing ended up on the short stick. Lets say the idiot who T- bones you and is rich, you still get the short end of the stick, even if it is not your fault.
I simply have a HUGE problem with the claim that there is a cosmic overseer who has already planned everything out, no matter what you personally do, good or bad.
If one skips the supernatural security guard claim, it makes much more sense. Sometimes you can do all the right things, and still fall short, or be hurt, or can do all the wrong things and still benefit. Stalin is a perfect example of a sick asshole who succeeded at the misery of others.
There is a natural claim of "will" for sure, but not a supernatural one, or "God's will". There are simply humans in a natural world, just like you cant predict 100% of the time where the billiard balls will go on the initial break. One can only note when the other player is cheating, like moving the Q ball or pretending they didn't scratch. If God were a real character playing pool against you, you would never win. In the concept of an "All knowing God", who has a plan, in billiards terms, you can only be a sycophant or poker chip.