(November 8, 2011 at 7:44 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: How do you avoid committing the is/ought fallacy here? You can’t reason from the way things are (you not wishing harm to come to your children) to the way things ought to be (no one ought to commit harm to any child)?I have made my case. I ought to act in accordance with my strongest desires which stand in relationship to objective facts (is) about reality. It seems to me that you can either accept that or keep asking why? But that’s an easy and silly game to play when it could be returned to you and I could ask why ‘godwillsit’ for eternity. But you also have the Euthyphro dilemma from which you cannot escape, and which disproves your thesis, ie your position doesn’t even get off the ground.
Secondly, why would a child automatically be innocent?
Thirdly, how do you define “evil”?
(November 8, 2011 at 7:44 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Just because David Hume said something is the case does not make it the case, he also said that atheists cannot use inductive reasoning, do you also agree with this position? Atheists are not allowed to invoke the is/ought fallacy when reasoning anymore than anyone else is.Strawmanning again. I also did not say that Hume was right (my position on morality would infact suggest he got it wrong). I said that even Hume thought that this Is/Ought gap was bridgeable and that you are overplaying your hand.
(November 8, 2011 at 7:44 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: God always is involved in His creation, that is why we see an underlying uniformity to nature and can use induction, because we are told by Him that the governing of creation we see today will resemble the governing of creation in the future.Think what you like it has no effect on reality outside of your brain states nor is it a response to the examples I gave you.
(November 8, 2011 at 7:44 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Haha, oh so the words in the Bible are there for all to see? Please point out in the ESV where the word “rape” appears in any of those verses you were talking about. Thanks.Again strawman. I said you were justifying passages which condoned rape. Whether the passages use the word ‘rape’, clearly depends on which translation you read. Its a childish attempt to avoid the issue. I stand by the charge. But if you are justifying passages that do condone the act of rape if sanctioned by god, then at least that is consistent with xtian morality if not reality.
ESV Isaiah 13:15-18
15 Whoever is found will be thrust through, and whoever is caught will fall by the sword. 16 Their infants will be dashed in pieces before their eyes; their houses will be plundered and their wives ravished.
"I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence"...Doug McLeod.