Objective Morality?

[Statler Waldorf]

I have made my case. I ought to act in accordance with my strongest desires which stand in relationship to objective facts (is) about reality.

I think you are not following me at all here, sure you can think you ought to act according to your strongest desires but what if someone doesn’t agree with that? Do you have any moral authority to tell them otherwise? It seems like your view on morality is completely powerless because it lacks any authority.

But that’s an easy and silly game to play when it could be returned to you and I could ask why ‘godwillsit’ for eternity.

You can ask me any question you’d like about my beliefs, doesn’t bother me any.

But you also have the Euthyphro dilemma from which you cannot escape, and which disproves your thesis, ie your position doesn’t even get off the ground.

This is an interesting assertion, things are morally wrong because God decrees them to be so….so what? I see no issue there; feel free to correct me though if you feel I am in error.

Strawmanning again. I also did not say that Hume was right (my position on morality would infact suggest he got it wrong). I said that even Hume thought that this Is/Ought gap was bridgeable and that you are overplaying your hand.

…and as I pointed out, what Hume thought is irrelevant. There is no logical merit to reasoning from the way things are to the way things ought to be, that’s pretty basic logic.

Think what you like it has no effect on reality outside of your brain states nor is it a response to the examples I gave you.

Actually it was a response to the examples you gave because it demonstrated how they were misrepresenting the Christian view of reality and thus attacking a straw man. Christians do not believe in a “cartoon reality” as you so put it.

I said you were justifying passages which condoned rape.

Nope, I was pointing out that none of the passages even condoned rape to begin with so there was no justification to even make.

But if you are justifying passages that do condone the act of rape if sanctioned by god,

I already demonstrated quite easily that no such passages even exist; do you have any others you didn’t present?

ESV Isaiah 13:15-18
15 Whoever is found will be thrust through, and whoever is caught will fall by the sword. 16 Their infants will be dashed in pieces before their eyes; their houses will be plundered and their wives ravished.

Again, this is speaking of events to come, how can this possibly be looked at as condoning anything? If I say, “yeah there will likely be sexual assaults in the city of Detroit next summer” am I condoning the act of sexual assault? I was a bit surprised to see you even try to use this passage because most atheists realize what it is talking about (prophecy); your reasoning is just ridiculous on this one. I am sure you will still come up with some other excuse dealing with this passage because you want it to be condoning rape, but it just doesn’t even come close.