(June 30, 2021 at 9:15 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:(June 30, 2021 at 9:03 pm)tackattack Wrote: I had to skip pages 6-10 this is a hot mess. Let’s use your definition then Klor- “ by natural = any action that serves our instincts of survival+procreation” could finding love serve our instincts for survival within a society? If u answer yes and sexual orientation is currently estimated @25% genetic according to your article; fulfilling the need to be loved by whatever you deem fit serves individuals. Whether you get it, or whether u have oughts that get in the way is irrelevant. It’s good for people to find love and harmony. Have you been helping that end or are u too worried about your tail end being violated?
Homosexuality is as condemned in my religion as it is in yours. There exist some biblical passages mentioning Sodom and Gomorrah, if I recall that correctly. It's really hilarious that a christian is seriously apologising for homosexuality.
Words like love and harmony aren't exactly very precise labels one can use to articulate an apology for men-on-men sex. Tell me, if you find love and harmony with your neighbor's wife, should we encourage you to express you love to the lady, or, rather, tell you there are more serious considerations like minimizing harm, seeking procreation, providing a stable environment for our offspring, etc. than your vague emotions of love/harmony , or your interest for my tail end ?
(June 30, 2021 at 9:32 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Tell me, @tackattack? Did you read this passage before in your bible ?
"But the men of Sodom were exceedingly wicked and sinful against the LORD." (Genesis 13:13 KJV)
Love and harmony are prescriptive and precise enough for my intentions and yes I've read that and every other passage in my Bible and the apocrypha many times.
I am not doing apologetics for any behaviors except trying to show you yours. The OP was about desire not act, you are all about the act. You are passing judgement on "people" and comparing them to the sodmites by inferring they are exceedingly sinful. Id' like to point out something to you, All have sinned. We are all sodomites (pursuing unnatural desires) and wicked and rebel against God. We don't do what is good for us, even if we know better.
For instance you are a very loud clanging cymbal right now causing all this discord against believers and God by not practicing any aspect of love. You specifically dishonor others (women), you are self-seeking (not proving your point or expressing your opinions/arguments well), you are easily angered (by all the flaming going on), you keep record of wrongs (referencing other threads), you are delight in talking about that which you deem as evil. You are not using your views to protect anyone but to condemn. You are not trusting that someone's perspective outside your might have something to teach you.
To be clear here is where I sit:
1. Homosexual sex is condemned by Southern Baptists, this is one of the tenants I disagree with.
2. I do not find homosexual sex to be "unnatural, as there is evidence in the natural world and some genetic indications it can be "built in" at least partially.
3. I do not condemn others for their private sins/lives. Your sexual preferences, orientation or identity are all very subjective and are frankly none of my damn business.
4. I personally interpret the sum of the OT writing to indicate an abhorrence for cult prostitution (male or female), and general debauchery and giving over to natural desires. I personally interpret the sum of the NT writing to be prescriptive on congregational behavior and sound doctrine with controlled passions, while emphasizing Love in every aspect of outreach and life.
5. Due to the above I don't care where people stick (or want to stick) their peepee, as long as it's in a mutual, mature and loving relationship that doesn't harm others. The exception to that is that I don't care if it harms someone else's delicate sensibilities or ego.
This topic is title forbidding people to Love, not forbidding people to procreate. The OP was about desires not actions. You brought in the act, the naturalness of it, the misogyny and all the condemnation with you. Kindly take it with you out the door, or clarify your stance to further the discussion for forbidding homosexuals from loving each other.
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