(July 2, 2021 at 9:34 pm)tackattack Wrote: To answer your questions:
1. You're being judgmental when you say things like "Oh... I see. So my argument from nature wasn't quite dead... right? Now repeat after me : riding men is bad, it's disgusting."
How is defending my arguments judgmental ? How is expressing my feeling towards some act judgmental ??
penetrating a rectum whose function is to evacuate stool is disgusting by definition. do I really need to spell these things out?
(July 2, 2021 at 9:34 pm)tackattack Wrote: 2. My Bible is quite clear on lots of things, but monogamous, consensual homosexual intercourse isn't one of them.
3. I humbly acknowledge that you typed the correct english translation of 1 Corinthians 6:9. There are a few others as well you missed. If I were a cherry picking literalist that only had that verse though I would be hard pressed to disagree with you and concede. That is not the case however and we obviously have different interpretations of the scripture in it's entirety, or you're cherry picking what you think supports your views. I clearly laid out my beliefs in post 143. We could debate the specifics and have an exegetical study on biblical homosexuality, but I feel it's been done, and this isn't the thread for it.
Unless you have some biblical passage explicitly telling us to ignore Corinthians 6:9, I frankly don't see any way around condemning homo sex for a christian, do you? And your accusation of cherrypicking is really weird to me, the 4 quotes in my previous message are (1 in the OT, 3 in the NT) are probably all there is about the homosexual act, and they are, all of them, really clear. Now, re you telling me I ignored passages in favor of the act? Where are they ?
What kind of exegetical study will transform this,
"9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men"
into "let the Lord rectify that, we're fine with men who have sex with men".
(July 2, 2021 at 9:34 pm)tackattack Wrote: It's fairly simple:
A. Either sexual orientation of every type is part of/ or informed by how we were made by God or it isn't
B. Either the people who willfully do those acts are in violation of God's commands or they aren't.
But neither of those is the actual question being posed to you or Drich. You both clearly have a problem with homosexual sex. The forum just wants to know why:
A. You don't like it because it's unnatural
B. You don't like it because you don't understand it
C. You don't like it because that's what you're told to believe
D. You don't like it because that's what you believe God means
E. You don't like it because it disgusts you
F. You don't like it because ....
From what you've both said I feel it's some combination of all of them plus some extras. The forum just wants you to be clear and upfront about your homophobia.
I am note sure I am having a discussion with a christian here. You're putting religious beliefs hand to hand with personal feelings and preferences; I am telling you, and I insist, that your bible strongly condemns the act you're apologizing for. And rather than trying to revise your position -that you might be promoting not-very-christian sexual practices- you are more interested in my personal views on homosexuality. I'll satisfy your curiosity :
I hate the entire LGBTQ+ spectrum from head to toe, I am explicitly homophobic.
Are you satisfied?
It's enough for me that you think some magical exegetical study will delete Corinthians 6:9.
Your bible recounts to you, with vivid detail, the breathtaking-intense action sequence of destroying two big fat cities because of the homosexual act, and you think you can just ignore the whole event with some exegetical sleight of hand. This is ridiculous, and I think you know it. I will go further and say that you are disingenuous. You can be more frank and tell us you don't really believe the whole Bible is the word of God, or that the Bible has been altered.
Let's even accept the distinction some make to apologize for homo sex, that of the sexual orientation and of the homosexual act. Can you at least condemn the homosexual act, which is incontrovertibly condemned in your bible ?
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01540819
Quote from the article: "Homosexual acts are clearly condemned by St. Paul (1 Corinthians 6:9-10, 1 Timothy 1:9-10, and Romans 1:26-27) ".
Can you do like St. Paul ?
(July 2, 2021 at 9:34 pm)tackattack Wrote: This back and forth is tiring and tedious. We get it you don't like homosexuals.
We also get it, you're ashamed of your Bible.