forbidding people to love each other

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I am sorry but where, exactly, did I judge anyone here? I simply quoted your bible, you bible is extremely direct and clear about sodomy, and you should be ashame of yourself for even trying to apologize for such a trivially forbidden act;

22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. (Leviticus 18:22)

26 For this reason God gave them up to ddishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, ymen committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
(Romans 1:26-27)

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, (1 Corinthians, 6:9)

So, unless one is blind (or OT isn't the word of God), homosexuality is an obvious non-starter for any christian. The question now is, are you honest enough to acknowledge what your bible says and explicitly condemn the act?

And how exactly do you get from sin to sodomy ? In any case, you are free of course to label yourself a sodomite. 


Did the believers you're referring to read the passages above ? Are you sure you're not defending homosexuality just because it's lawful in your country ?



Homosexual sex is condemned by your bible, do you disagree with your bible?

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To answer your questions:
1. You're being judgmental when you say things like "Oh... I see. So my argument from nature wasn't quite dead... right? Now repeat after me : riding men is bad, it's disgusting."
2. My Bible is quite clear on lots of things, but monogamous, consensual homosexual intercourse isn't one of them.
3. I humbly acknowledge that you typed the correct english translation of 1 Corinthians 6:9. There are a few others as well you missed. If I were a cherry picking literalist that only had that verse though I would be hard pressed to disagree with you and concede. That is not the case however and we obviously have different interpretations of the scripture in it's entirety, or you're cherry picking what you think supports your views. I clearly laid out my beliefs in post 143. We could debate the specifics and have an exegetical study on biblical homosexuality, but I feel it's been done, and this isn't the thread  for it.
(aside)4. I'm not particularly fond of you putting a fellow believer in the position of I'm either blind or God is a liar. It isn't really becoming during a civil discussion in the pit of vipers we find ourselves.
5.  This isn't about me or my beliefs, because you clearly missed the real point I was trying to make in 143: This topic is titled forbidding homosexual people to Love.

It's fairly simple:
A. Either sexual orientation of every type is part of/ or informed by how we were made by God or it isn't
B. Either the people who willfully do those acts are in violation of God's commands or they aren't.

But neither of those is the actual question being posed to you or Drich. You both clearly have a problem with homosexual sex. The forum just wants to know why:
A. You don't like it because it's unnatural
B. You don't like it because you don't understand it
C. You don't like it because that's what you're told to believe
D. You don't like it because that's what you believe God means
E. You don't like it because it disgusts you
F. You don't like it because ....

From what you've both said I feel it's some combination of all of them plus some extras. The forum just wants you to be clear and upfront about your homophobia.  And all that is still an aside from the main conversation which is:

Why can't two men love each other romantically? Is it just the sex you have a problem with? What if 2 gay men, never copulated and just mutually masturbated each other? What if. they just kissed.. tons of scenarios that we can't even get to because you both are defending your bigotry and spreading a message of condemnation and bigotry. Listen I get it.. defenders of the faith and all.... but if you really believe it's God will that homosexual sex is a sin, and you believe to hate what God hates, you could have just stayed out of the thread entirely. You came in to spread your condemnation, bigotry and hate, IMO.

This back and forth is tiring and tedious. We get it you don't like homosexuals. I'd like to just press on in the thread without them and save any more comments in this train of derailment for my PM box. Night all.

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