Why does science always upstage God?

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Absolutely.  A person says they don't believe in x.  We're considering two propositions.  

Your suggestion.
That people are suppressing the truth of x revealed to them.

Theirs
That they simply never had that truth of x revealed to them.

I wouldn't take the suggestion that you were denying the truth of zues as he sits in your living room seriously for the same reason that I don't take your suggestions about your own god seriously.  That's probably not why you don't believe in zues.  Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong - if you do in fact think that the most compelling explanation for your failure to believe in zues..is that you're suppressing that truth which was revealed to you.  It's certainly not why I don't believe in your god, or why the existence of your god is inconsequential to me.

Ok, is your argument based on the premise that there is zero evidence for either Zeus or God, that they are equally fabricated, and that no satisfactory evidence could be presented because they are equally imaginary and unprovable?

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Ok, to the first point I think I get it: you're using the tired argument that since I can't show God to you or prove His existence like I can prove the existence of my puppy, that God doesn't exist. Just like you're claiming Zues is in my living room even though you can't show him to me or prove he exists. Is that where this is going?

-not even in that direction.  Just like suppressing revealed knowledge of a god is both not what accounts for my atheism and is inconsequential to my opinion of your religion - the existence of a god is incosequential to whether or not your claims about people and why they do or don't do x are either true or compelling.  As I said before, assume that god exists, and accept that some of us have never met the guy.  Just like you've never met zues and nothing more than that is required to explain why you don't believe in zues.

I do not pretend to be neutral. I have presuppositions, namely that the God of the Bible exists. And I would say you can't say anything intelligible about the world without God's existence.

You say the existence of God is inconsequential to you, yet here you are on the atheist forums attempting to suppress knowledge about God.

Here again, you may misunderstand other people in ways that ought to be easy to clear up by reference to yourself.  Is that what you're doing here?

I'm sorry, man. i want to understand you, I just don't understand what you're saying.

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Absolutely.  A person says they don't believe in x.  We're considering two propositions.  

Your suggestion.
That people are suppressing the truth of x revealed to them.

Theirs
That they simply never had that truth of x revealed to them.

I wouldn't take the suggestion that you were denying the truth of zues as he sits in your living room seriously for the same reason that I don't take your suggestions about your own god seriously.  That's probably not why you don't believe in zues.  Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong - if you do in fact think that the most compelling explanation for your failure to believe in zues..is that you're suppressing that truth which was revealed to you.  It's certainly not why I don't believe in your god, or why the existence of your god is inconsequential to me.

Ok, is your argument based on the premise that there is zero evidence for either Zeus or God, that they are equally fabricated, and that no satisfactory evidence could be presented because they are equally imaginary and unprovable?

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-not even in that direction.  Just like suppressing revealed knowledge of a god is both not what accounts for my atheism and is inconsequential to my opinion of your religion - the existence of a god is incosequential to whether or not your claims about people and why they do or don't do x are either true or compelling.  As I said before, assume that god exists, and accept that some of us have never met the guy.  Just like you've never met zues and nothing more than that is required to explain why you don't believe in zues.

Here again, you may misunderstand other people in ways that ought to be easy to clear up by reference to yourself.  Is that what you're doing here?

I'm sorry, man. i want to understand you, I just don't understand what you're saying.

Wait, I think I do get it. I'm not telling you that, the Bible tells us that you are suppressing your knowledge of God, so it's truth. It takes different forms, but you are. We all know God exists.