(October 26, 2021 at 10:53 am)brewer Wrote:(October 26, 2021 at 9:32 am)Spongebob Wrote: I meant that in a clinical way, not as a personal evaluation, so it shouldn't offend you, but what I said is basically true of everyone so I warn that you guard against rejecting the notion that you are unique among humans. Accepting the reality that the mind is largely unknown to us and that we largely don't know much about what drives us is key to self-awareness. People resist this knowledge at their peril.
Maybe learn to use 'me/I' instead of 'you'. You believe you have them authority to tell people when they should be offended or not? I can be offended if I choose, piss off.
No evidence for 'basically true of everyone', obvious evidence that it's true for you. Warn, schmarn away. I never stated that I was unique, just different from you which apparently does not set well. The unknown mind adds little to the discussion.
This does not mean that I don't have my own insecurities and failings, I do, they've been addressed. I just don't seem to share yours. If I say I'm happy then I'm happy (btw, I rarely state that I'm happy). You stating that it's highly likely that I'm not says more about you than me.
The mind tricking people only becomes an issue when it results in negative outcomes and behavior, for the person or people around them. How's that for clinical? (notice that I didn't use you once)
I think Spongebob was pointing to what is taken as fact by psychologists (and backed up by neuroscience). We (as humans) are largely unaware of many drives within us.
You are right to point out the "positive" side to these invisible drives, brewer. But Spongebob is also justified in saying that all humans are unaware of most of our drives.
(Apologies if I missed something earlier in the conversation. Just referring to what Spongebob said last.)
