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Destruction of self confidence
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RE: Destruction of self confidence
(November 15, 2021 at 2:05 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote:
(November 15, 2021 at 1:48 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Grandma's biggest concern was finding hats to wear to church...boy, did she have a collection of fancy hats - think royal family fancy.

Is it because women must cover their heads in the church?

I remember 11 years ago, Roger Ebert wrote about his aunt and mom going to church and covering their heads

Quote:"Mary, give me one of your Kleenexes," my mother told my aunt one morning long ago when we were entering Holy Cross Church. She held a bobby pin in her lips, reached up to part her hair, and fixed the Kleenex on top of her head. My Aunt Mary already had her handkerchief in place.

"Why do you have to do that?" I asked.

"Because we are going into the house of the Lord," my mother explained, "and we have to spare him from the sight of us."

"But why?"

"It's because we're women, honey," Aunt Mary said.

And he ended the blogpost with the question:

"Is it good for the world to consider women as an inferior form, as all religions do?"

Yes, women were required to cover their hair in church***. I think that practice was phased out after Vatican 2. Meant to invigorate the church, it was far too little far too late.

I was brought up devout Irish Catholic. Imo, this was the most superstitious, pig ignorant, dogmatic and hateful form of a pernicious religion. In my lifetime the major difference I've noticed is a greater depth of systemic mendacity, going to the very top.

My mother was not catholic when she and dad were married .(she converted 25 years later and was the finest catholic person I've ever known)

Mum had to take instruction and learn about her obligations. Those included promising to bring up any children Catholic. Because mum was not catholic, she wasn't deemed good enough to be married in front of the alter. Instead , the ceremony was conducted in the sacristy, the small side room the priest used to change  into his costume. 

***that was one of the most obvious signs of the deep misogyny of the church, which went back to Paul of Tarsus.

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It's probably hard for a person without a Catholic background to understand the dogmatic arrogance and misogyny of the church before Vatican 2. Let's just say that in comparison  today's pope and his cardinals are a bunch of left wing radicals.



"The Second Ecumenical Council of the Vatican, commonly known as the Second Vatican Council, or Vatican II, was the 21st ecumenical council of the Roman Catholic Church. The council met in St. Peter's Basilica in Rome for four periods (or sessions), each lasting between 8 and 12 weeks, in the autumn of each of the four years 1962 to 1965. Preparation for the council took three years, from the summer of 1959 to the summer of 1962. The council was opened on 11 October 1962 by John XXIII (pope during the preparation and the first session), and was closed on 8 December 1965 by Paul VI (pope during the last three sessions, after the death of John XXIII on 3 June 1963).

The council produced sixteen teaching documents that proposed significant developments in doctrine and practice: an extensive reform of the liturgy, a renewed theology of the Church, of revelation and of the laity, a new approach to relations between the Church and the world, to ecumenism, to non-Christian religions and to religious freedom."

Second Vatican Council - Wikipedia
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Destruction of self confidence - by debunk_pls - November 12, 2021 at 6:43 am
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by brewer - November 12, 2021 at 8:14 am
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by Belacqua - November 12, 2021 at 8:36 am
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by brewer - November 12, 2021 at 8:54 am
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by Abaddon_ire - November 12, 2021 at 8:54 am
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by zebo-the-fat - November 12, 2021 at 9:47 am
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by brewer - November 12, 2021 at 10:21 am
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by zwanzig - November 12, 2021 at 9:50 am
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by T.J. - November 12, 2021 at 10:26 am
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by Belacqua - November 13, 2021 at 2:03 am
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by Astreja - November 12, 2021 at 12:27 pm
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2021 at 3:09 am
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by brewer - November 13, 2021 at 9:23 am
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by arewethereyet - November 13, 2021 at 10:01 am
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by emjay - November 13, 2021 at 11:11 am
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by arewethereyet - November 13, 2021 at 1:23 pm
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by brewer - November 13, 2021 at 11:21 am
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by emjay - November 13, 2021 at 11:38 am
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by brewer - November 13, 2021 at 4:46 pm
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2021 at 1:10 pm
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by emjay - November 13, 2021 at 2:24 pm
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by Oldandeasilyconfused - November 14, 2021 at 5:31 pm
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by Belacqua - November 14, 2021 at 8:23 pm
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by emjay - November 14, 2021 at 10:18 pm
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by vulcanlogician - November 14, 2021 at 11:20 pm
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by Angrboda - November 13, 2021 at 1:24 pm
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2021 at 2:50 pm
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by emjay - November 13, 2021 at 3:35 pm
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2021 at 3:53 pm
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by emjay - November 13, 2021 at 4:22 pm
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2021 at 5:10 pm
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by emjay - November 13, 2021 at 6:02 pm
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2021 at 6:08 pm
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2021 at 6:49 am
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by emjay - November 15, 2021 at 7:37 am
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2021 at 7:46 am
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by emjay - November 15, 2021 at 8:54 am
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2021 at 10:00 am
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by emjay - November 15, 2021 at 11:24 am
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2021 at 1:05 pm
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by emjay - November 15, 2021 at 1:44 pm
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by arewethereyet - November 15, 2021 at 1:48 pm
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by Fake Messiah - November 15, 2021 at 2:05 pm
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by arewethereyet - November 15, 2021 at 2:28 pm
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by Oldandeasilyconfused - November 16, 2021 at 8:16 pm
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by brewer - November 15, 2021 at 2:52 pm
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by arewethereyet - November 15, 2021 at 2:56 pm
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2021 at 3:22 pm
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by emjay - November 16, 2021 at 8:09 pm
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by The Grand Nudger - November 19, 2021 at 9:13 am
RE: Destruction of self confidence - by emjay - November 19, 2021 at 5:46 pm

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