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dave4shmups · October 17, 2010 at 8:10 pm

The doctrine of the self-existence of God is one that I was clinging to when I was a Christian, but I don't know how to refute it. I did join "Ask an Atheist" on Facebook, and asked there, but I haven't gotten a reply yet.

**theVOID** · October 17, 2010 at 8:24 pm

Explain your take on the doctrine

dave4shmups · October 17, 2010 at 9:36 pm

(October 17, 2010 at 8:24 pm)theVOID Wrote: Explain your take on the doctrine

Well I got it from the Christian theologian R.C. Sproul, who argues that God needs nothing to sustain him, because he has within himself the power of being. He therefore was not created.

**Minimalist** · October 17, 2010 at 9:58 pm

You can give a fictional character any properties you like, can't you?

Superman could leap tall buildings in a single bound.

Godscreated · (This post was last modified: October 17, 2010 at 11:11 pm by Godscreated.)

(October 17, 2010 at 9:58 pm)Minimalist Wrote: You can give a fictional character any properties you like, can't you?

Superman could leap tall buildings in a single bound.

Min I do believe dave4shmups is looking for honest answers not your ridiculous one liners that seem to never change.

Anomalocaris · October 17, 2010 at 11:20 pm

(October 17, 2010 at 9:36 pm)dave4shmups Wrote:
(October 17, 2010 at 8:24 pm)theVOID Wrote: Explain your take on the doctrine

Well I got it from the Christian theologian R.C. Sproul, who argues that God needs nothing to sustain him, because he has within himself the power of being. He therefore was not created.

Prove it.

**Minimalist** · October 17, 2010 at 11:21 pm

When your silly god stops being a fictional character I will change my answer.

Mankind invented ALL gods....including yours. They can make them do whatever they want them to do.

Anomalocaris · October 17, 2010 at 11:23 pm

(October 17, 2010 at 11:10 pm)Godschild Wrote: Min I do believe dave4shmups is looking for honest answers not your ridiculous one liners that seem to never change.

Just because your sophistry can run to many volumes doesn't mean a honest answer can't be contained in a few words.

**theVOID** · (This post was last modified: October 17, 2010 at 11:26 pm by theVOID.)

(October 17, 2010 at 9:36 pm)dave4shmups Wrote:
(October 17, 2010 at 8:24 pm)theVOID Wrote: Explain your take on the doctrine

Well I got it from the Christian theologian R.C. Sproul, who argues that God needs nothing to sustain him, because he has within himself the power of being. He therefore was not created.

He would have to establish the existence of God and prove that he needs to sustenance. If it was framed like "If God exists he would be self sustaining" i wouldn't object, the If just isn't qualified.

Was this initially a response to an argument?

Oh and Godschild, Min's one liners > your best attempt at logic Tongue

(October 17, 2010 at 11:21 pm)Minimalist Wrote: When your silly god stops being a fictional character I will change my answer.

Mankind invented ALL gods....including yours. They can make them do whatever they want them to do.

Just hit the nail a few more times, he'll either get the point or get angry.

Godscreated · (This post was last modified: October 17, 2010 at 11:38 pm by Godscreated.)

(October 17, 2010 at 11:24 pm)theVOID Wrote:
(October 17, 2010 at 9:36 pm)dave4shmups Wrote:
(October 17, 2010 at 8:24 pm)theVOID Wrote: Explain your take on the doctrine

Well I got it from the Christian theologian R.C. Sproul, who argues that God needs nothing to sustain him, because he has within himself the power of being. He therefore was not created.

He would have to establish the existence of God and prove that he needs to sustenance. If it was framed like "If God exists he would be self sustaining" i wouldn't object, the If just isn't qualified.

Was this initially a response to an argument?

Oh and Godschild, Min's one liners > your best attempt at logic

(October 17, 2010 at 11:21 pm)Minimalist Wrote: When your silly god stops being a fictional character I will change my answer.

Mankind invented ALL gods....including yours. They can make them do whatever they want them to do.

Just hit the nail a few more times, he'll either get the point or get angry.

Min's pounded that nail and wore it out and should get a different nail to pound for a while, the one he has worn out is circular and if he can come up with a new one I'm sure it will be the same.

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