RE: What's your opinion on Liberal Religion?
November 20, 2021 at 10:29 am
(This post was last modified: November 20, 2021 at 10:30 am by vulcanlogician.)
(November 20, 2021 at 10:06 am)Belacqua Wrote:(November 20, 2021 at 8:03 am)Alan V Wrote: Third, I did not say that “rational” equals “will agree with me.” In fact, I said just the reverse. Many theists are indeed rational. I just see them as lacking the information which will naturally change their minds if they are indeed rational.
Let me see if I understand you here.
You seem to be saying that you have a crucial bit of information, which every rational religious person in the world lacks. But if they continue to learn they will eventually glean this bit of information, and then they, like you, will not believe in God.
I am skeptical that you have information which every rational religious person in the world lacks.
What's your opinion on demonic possession or haunted houses? I've known folks who believed in ghosts and stuff like that. But otherwise they struck me as rational people.
I've also felt that, if they could see things the way I see things, they might reconsider their position on the existence of ghosts, possession etc. I feel like you perceive some haughtiness in Alan's sentiments that I don't see. But maybe that's just bias on my part because I agree with Alan's position. -shrug-
As I see it, Alan is an atheist for a reason. To him, he's concluded that God doesn't exist for a reason. If you have a reasonable belief (or lack thereof), it seems natural to think that others would agree with you if they were working with the same information that you're working with.
It goes both ways, I suppose. If someone thinks they have genuine information that suggests that God exists, it's only natural that they'd think that if an atheist had such information, they'd believe too. That's why I'm always listening to theists, to see if any can convince me. Compelling arguments have been made, but no convincing has been done. Less-than-compelling arguments have also been made. In fact, most arguments from theists are less than compelling. And I think that's what Alan had in mind when he wrote his post.