(November 26, 2021 at 4:30 pm)Agnostic1 Wrote:(November 24, 2021 at 1:25 am)Ranjr Wrote: Science never brought no one back from the grave. Only Jesus did that. And if a monkey ever turned into a man, Jesus did that too.
Every time I have ever asked a religious person for an explanation or answer, to a valid question, I get references to the Bible and Jesus. I asked someone recently "How will you know when Jesus has come back? Wouldn't he just get attacked AGAIN for being 'perfect'? Why would anyone listen to him now, if they didn't listen before?" She said "We will know it's him because he will come floating down from the Heavens just the same way he went up."
That still doesn't answer the question about how he is going to get anyone to listen to him. I have heard over and over how he is going to "bring peace". How is he going to do that without getting gunned down or killed? If "Humanity" didn't listen to him the first time, why would they listen to him when he 'comes back'? They wouldn't. It is a violent, hateful world and if Jesus DID come back with only his great personality, it is a guarantee that he would get killed just for 'claiming' to be the 'son of God'. Without "powers", he will be viewed as just a blasphemer and get his ass kicked. The likely answer I will get is that, this time, he will have "Powers" from Daddy (God) and he will simply judge the living and the dead and 'take over'. Great! Why didn't he use those "powers" the first time? Instead of getting 'sacrificed' and getting his ass beaten? Why would God send his powerless 'son' to earth to make a point, in the first place, without giving him the powers to 'prove' who he is? It's never made sense to me.
If *I* were God and I sent my 'son' (or daughter...the Bible is a bit sexist) to humanity to 'save' them, my kid would come loaded with superpowers that would A-make sure they are SAFE and B-give them the VERY AMAZING and "child of God"-worthy *power* to take over and set shit straight with people. No child of this God would be getting humiliated or sacrificed. Not a chance.
Doesn't make sense...
How to recognize if it is Jesus? If we had a time machine and went back to the 1 st century Israel to see Jesus, I don’t think they would recognize Jesus. I’m pretty sure that you will find just ordinary humans being human.
But, let’s assume that Jesus is really the son of the jewish god.
1. How will a christian recognize him?
They don’t have a photo.
How do you recognize your parents? Because you have seen them, because you have photos.
You also get to know a person over time.
In Star Trek Voyager, the doctor is a hologram and he downloads the captains look and looks and sounds exactly like the captain. He just lacks the captain’s memories.
The 2 nd in command tests his knowledge and the doctor (looking like the captain) fails.
2. Floating down from heaven? Heaven just means space or it could mean the atmosphere. What if an alien from another planet or another dimension comes from space? What if this alien uses holographic projector or something and looks like a human?
3. What is this Jesus going to do to convince us? If he can raise the dead using magic, the alien might raise the dead with his technology.
So, this comes back to the demarcation problem.
The most important question(s):
What’s the point? Why is it important for Jesus that you believe him?
Why is Jesus going to give you the keys to heaven only if you worship him as a god and never question him?
He seems to be so sure that he is always correct and always perfect.
Is that all or is he going to ask you to kill someone?
I prefer the Star Trek way of doing things. If someone’s ship is broken, if they are stranded, if they need medical care, they provide it at no cost and don’t ask for anything.
