(December 8, 2021 at 10:32 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Unfortunately, that's not how religion works. Religious beliefs are among our most compelling and deeply held beliefs to whomever holds them. They will vote based on their beliefs. They will insist that the proper organization of society is pursuant to these beliefs. That's what it means to have religious beliefs in the first place.
That's why the content of beliefs matter. A person with liberal religious beliefs will, at least, be compelled by the same things you mention above - your freedom. A person with authoritarian religious beliefs will shit on your freedom. In either case, they do so with the full benefit of having satisfied their religious duties and sensibilities. In a world of religion, we'd better hope that they find something decent to believe in.
They aren't looking too swell right now, at least here in the us. I'd even say that they seem to be unwell, coming apart at the seams. I don't envy the task that people who follow a liberal religion will have before them in repairing the reputations and credibility of their umbrella faiths. The Wife, for example, used to bite at every opportunity to witness, but now..she doesn't even mention her beliefs..because she doesn't want to be confused for "one of those people". Fucked up, huh, lol.
I would say that is a good way to define a liberal theist: The live and let live type.
The non-liberal type:
1. If a religion convinces that this book is holy, that it comes from a god, and so on, just the way the Bible does, the believer will think it is his duty that that lifestyle is the only good way.
2. He will attempt to eradicate people who don’t conform, such as homosexuals, polygamists, people who want a divorce, people who get pregnant out of wedlock, people who have sex out of wedlock, people of other faiths or no-faiths (atheists).
3. In such a society, you get blacklisted. You lose your job. They won’t come shop at your business. The doctors are not going to take care of you if you have a problem. These are the passive aggressive attempts of the 20 th century.
4. I think it was in 1692, that the final killings took place by european/USA people for european/USA people. They call it the Salem witch trials.
So, somewhere between 300 to 1692, a lot of cleansing has been performed. They killed people and destroyed statues, writings, temples of their ancestral religions. So, they were killing their own people and own culture.
5. About the native americans. The european/USA people kept destroying them, even after 1692. It has been recently exposed on Canadian news. Between 1890 to middle 1970, the canadian government cooperated with the catholic church. They took native american children by force and put them in residential schools. They reprogrammed them to be christian and to only talk english. A lot of children died from disease and who knows what else. The catholic church did not document what they did. It is estimated that at least 1000 kids died.
^^^^^This was discovered since recently, a company bought an abandoned residential building and started digging the ground and found a graveyard.
Ever watched Louis Theroux from the BBC?
The full episodes were on Youtube but they deleted them.
In one of them, it was about evangelism in the USA. A guy says something like “We, the believers, are the ones keeping the devil, keeping disasters away. If it weren’t for us, the USA would have been destroyed long ago.”
^^^^^This is an example of a guy who thinks that the any disease, any hurricane, any disaster comes from the jewish god as a punishment or the devil as a “devil project”.
