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Too PC for me.
RE: Too PC for me.
(December 12, 2021 at 12:21 am)brewer Wrote:
(December 11, 2021 at 7:00 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: 'Morbid obesity' added to terms you can no longer use in polite society according to the American Medical Association. https://reclaimthenet.org/ama-language-g...-fairness/

How is this going to help morbidly obese individuals who are in the process of eating themselves to death?

Bullshit, read the document.: https://www.ama-assn.org/system/files/am...-guide.pdf

From the Acknowledgements section:

Quote:This guide is not intended to be a definitive and all-encompassing instruction manual. Instead, it was written (with humility) to stimulate heightened awareness and dialogue. We offer this guide as a tool, knowing that efforts to nurture change in contentious spaces requires courage and commitment. Undermining systemic oppression and the dominant narratives that sustain them will not happen by chance. Reclaiming and promoting a social justice narrative will require intentional and collective action. This guide is a first step.

In the guide they suggest that the person/individual is acknowledged before the condition. (i.e. don't directly refer to individuals/people as 'the obese or the morbidly obese' but 'people with obesity or people with morbid obesity'). I don't have an issue with that. Do you understand the difference?

However, I think the Preamble and sections of the Introduction were over the top and I don't agree with all of the suggestions and conclusions but then I'm a white male so I can't really speak to the perceptions of non whites. Do those individuals all feel their being marginalized (choose a better word if you like), I doubt it. But apparently there are enough that the AMA (and other entities) decided to sign on to endorsing the guide. Following the guides 'suggested' directions may enhance communications with those who feel they experience health inequities from health care providers. I'm positive that some of the communication that is perceived as marginalization is a caused by ignorance and not intention.

Are you being serious right now? The AMA suggests using different terms, therefore they think terms like morbidly obese are problematic, or they wouldn't be suggesting a change in terms. I wasn't claiming that the AMA was saying that saying morbidly obese is the same as saying the N word, and I reported that they were 'suggestions' as you point out, and you would know that if you read my posts. The document does not suggest to refer to individuals as 'people with morbid obesity' as you claim in your post. It says try using 'people with severe obesity'. This is bowing down to the anti-science fat acceptance movement by no longer referring to their health condition as 'morbid'.
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Too PC for me. - by onlinebiker - October 1, 2021 at 10:35 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by Silver - October 1, 2021 at 10:38 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by brewer - October 1, 2021 at 11:04 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by LadyForCamus - October 1, 2021 at 8:43 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by Silver - October 1, 2021 at 8:50 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by LadyForCamus - October 1, 2021 at 8:53 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by Nay_Sayer - October 24, 2021 at 4:04 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by Brian37 - October 1, 2021 at 10:38 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 1, 2021 at 11:01 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by Angrboda - October 1, 2021 at 11:06 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 1, 2021 at 11:08 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by arewethereyet - October 1, 2021 at 11:12 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by zwanzig - October 1, 2021 at 11:14 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by onlinebiker - October 1, 2021 at 11:28 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by Spongebob - October 1, 2021 at 11:34 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by Brian37 - October 1, 2021 at 11:41 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by arewethereyet - October 1, 2021 at 11:43 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by vulcanlogician - October 1, 2021 at 12:21 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by LadyForCamus - October 1, 2021 at 8:46 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by Spongebob - October 1, 2021 at 11:16 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by arewethereyet - October 1, 2021 at 11:20 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by zwanzig - October 1, 2021 at 11:23 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by zwanzig - October 1, 2021 at 11:35 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by Angrboda - October 1, 2021 at 11:55 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 1, 2021 at 12:05 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by arewethereyet - October 1, 2021 at 12:23 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 1, 2021 at 12:40 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by onlinebiker - October 1, 2021 at 1:01 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by Angrboda - October 1, 2021 at 1:05 pm
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RE: Too PC for me. - by The Architect Of Fate - October 1, 2021 at 1:24 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by vulcanlogician - October 1, 2021 at 1:20 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by onlinebiker - October 1, 2021 at 2:03 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by vulcanlogician - October 1, 2021 at 2:05 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by Angrboda - October 1, 2021 at 2:09 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by onlinebiker - October 1, 2021 at 2:17 pm
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RE: Too PC for me. - by onlinebiker - October 1, 2021 at 6:00 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by Angrboda - October 1, 2021 at 6:23 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by LadyForCamus - October 1, 2021 at 8:53 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by The Architect Of Fate - October 1, 2021 at 2:48 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by Neo-Scholastic - October 1, 2021 at 6:37 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by onlinebiker - October 1, 2021 at 6:41 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by Angrboda - October 1, 2021 at 6:50 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by vulcanlogician - October 2, 2021 at 10:46 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by Spongebob - October 2, 2021 at 11:17 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by LadyForCamus - October 1, 2021 at 8:50 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by Pat Mustard - October 2, 2021 at 2:05 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by TaraJo - October 1, 2021 at 12:33 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by The Architect Of Fate - October 1, 2021 at 1:13 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by Nay_Sayer - October 1, 2021 at 1:19 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by onlinebiker - October 1, 2021 at 1:21 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by Angrboda - October 1, 2021 at 1:45 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by brewer - October 1, 2021 at 1:36 pm
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RE: Too PC for me. - by onlinebiker - October 1, 2021 at 6:34 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by Angrboda - October 1, 2021 at 6:47 pm
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RE: Too PC for me. - by The Architect Of Fate - October 1, 2021 at 6:50 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by LadyForCamus - October 1, 2021 at 8:42 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by LadyForCamus - October 1, 2021 at 9:09 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by onlinebiker - October 1, 2021 at 9:38 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by LadyForCamus - October 2, 2021 at 10:27 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by The Architect Of Fate - October 1, 2021 at 9:48 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by Mermaid - October 2, 2021 at 11:05 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by onlinebiker - October 2, 2021 at 11:11 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by vulcanlogician - October 2, 2021 at 11:54 am
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RE: Too PC for me. - by vulcanlogician - October 2, 2021 at 12:33 pm
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RE: Too PC for me. - by onlinebiker - October 2, 2021 at 1:13 pm
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RE: Too PC for me. - by LadyForCamus - October 2, 2021 at 10:44 pm
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RE: Too PC for me. - by vulcanlogician - October 2, 2021 at 7:23 pm
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RE: Too PC for me. - by arewethereyet - October 2, 2021 at 7:27 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by The Architect Of Fate - October 2, 2021 at 8:05 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by arewethereyet - October 2, 2021 at 8:42 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by The Architect Of Fate - October 2, 2021 at 8:57 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by The Grand Nudger - October 2, 2021 at 11:17 pm
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RE: Too PC for me. - by The Grand Nudger - October 2, 2021 at 11:37 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by vulcanlogician - October 3, 2021 at 3:58 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by onlinebiker - October 3, 2021 at 8:53 am
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RE: Too PC for me. - by Spongebob - October 3, 2021 at 12:47 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by LadyForCamus - October 3, 2021 at 12:53 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by LadyForCamus - October 3, 2021 at 9:04 am
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RE: Too PC for me. - by zwanzig - October 3, 2021 at 9:41 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by onlinebiker - October 3, 2021 at 9:50 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by Spongebob - October 3, 2021 at 1:04 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by Angrboda - October 3, 2021 at 9:56 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by zwanzig - October 3, 2021 at 9:59 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by Silver - October 3, 2021 at 10:01 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by onlinebiker - October 3, 2021 at 10:07 am
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RE: Too PC for me. - by Irreligious Atheist - October 4, 2021 at 5:18 pm
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RE: Too PC for me. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 26, 2021 at 7:39 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by brewer - October 26, 2021 at 7:07 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by The Architect Of Fate - October 26, 2021 at 9:04 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by Spongebob - October 26, 2021 at 7:53 am
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RE: Too PC for me. - by The Architect Of Fate - October 26, 2021 at 11:31 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by Angrboda - October 26, 2021 at 11:37 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by Silver - October 26, 2021 at 11:47 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by The Architect Of Fate - October 27, 2021 at 2:37 am
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RE: Too PC for me. - by The Architect Of Fate - October 27, 2021 at 9:31 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by Pat Mustard - October 28, 2021 at 5:44 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by zwanzig - October 27, 2021 at 9:05 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by Spongebob - October 27, 2021 at 9:35 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by Irreligious Atheist - December 2, 2021 at 1:53 am
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RE: Too PC for me. - by Fireball - December 2, 2021 at 10:58 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by brewer - December 3, 2021 at 10:09 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by Fireball - December 3, 2021 at 12:47 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by onlinebiker - December 2, 2021 at 6:17 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by Oldandeasilyconfused - December 2, 2021 at 7:28 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by Neo-Scholastic - December 3, 2021 at 1:55 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by Irreligious Atheist - December 3, 2021 at 11:18 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by The Architect Of Fate - December 3, 2021 at 5:00 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by Neo-Scholastic - December 3, 2021 at 7:30 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by Irreligious Atheist - December 11, 2021 at 7:00 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by Oldandeasilyconfused - December 11, 2021 at 9:36 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by arewethereyet - December 11, 2021 at 11:06 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by Irreligious Atheist - December 11, 2021 at 11:15 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by arewethereyet - December 11, 2021 at 11:18 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by brewer - December 12, 2021 at 12:21 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by Irreligious Atheist - December 12, 2021 at 4:01 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by brewer - December 12, 2021 at 9:44 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by Irreligious Atheist - December 12, 2021 at 1:01 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by arewethereyet - December 12, 2021 at 1:49 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by brewer - December 12, 2021 at 2:04 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by The Architect Of Fate - December 11, 2021 at 9:41 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by Oldandeasilyconfused - December 12, 2021 at 12:41 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by onlinebiker - December 12, 2021 at 3:36 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by Irreligious Atheist - December 11, 2021 at 10:57 pm
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RE: Too PC for me. - by brewer - December 18, 2021 at 4:38 pm
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RE: Too PC for me. - by Irreligious Atheist - December 18, 2021 at 4:37 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by arewethereyet - December 18, 2021 at 4:43 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by The Architect Of Fate - December 18, 2021 at 4:46 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by Irreligious Atheist - December 18, 2021 at 5:03 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 18, 2021 at 5:10 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by The Architect Of Fate - December 18, 2021 at 5:18 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by Irreligious Atheist - December 18, 2021 at 5:36 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by The Architect Of Fate - December 18, 2021 at 5:48 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by Rev. Rye - December 19, 2021 at 1:56 am
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RE: Too PC for me. - by The Grand Nudger - December 19, 2021 at 8:31 am
RE: Too PC for me. - by Rev. Rye - December 19, 2021 at 2:40 pm
RE: Too PC for me. - by The Grand Nudger - December 20, 2021 at 6:14 am

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