RE: Near-Death Experiences (NDEs), Souls, and Atheism
November 21, 2011 at 12:55 am
(This post was last modified: November 21, 2011 at 1:00 am by Shell B.)
A matter of contention for me with your OP is that you wonder how one can hallucinate while in cardiac arrest when the EEG shows nothing.
My question for you is, why the fuck would they have an EEG set up when treating for cardiac arrest? You also imply that cardiac arrest is equal to no brain activity.
Allow me to reiterate Norfolk's previous post. When there is no brain activity, you are dead, not near-dead, not almost dead, not maybe dying, you are fucking dead. With no brain activity, your other organs would fail. If you are in a coma, you have brain activity or you would not be in a coma.
Baloney sandwich. There is a huge difference.
From Wikipedia, it's as good as any source for this thread, I would think:
A four week dead person is definitely dead. Furthermore, I really need to have you link a case where a person went into cardiac arrest, was measured as not breathing, clinically brain dead and had no heart beat for enough time to have a "long hallucination" as you have described. By long, you must mean a matter of seconds or very few minutes. You cannot have a "long hallucination" that can be described as a NDE if you are not dead for very long.
My question for you is, why the fuck would they have an EEG set up when treating for cardiac arrest? You also imply that cardiac arrest is equal to no brain activity.
Allow me to reiterate Norfolk's previous post. When there is no brain activity, you are dead, not near-dead, not almost dead, not maybe dying, you are fucking dead. With no brain activity, your other organs would fail. If you are in a coma, you have brain activity or you would not be in a coma.
Quote:The question that I posed was regarding "cardiac arrest" cases. In these cases, the heart stops beating, the person stops breathing, and measurable brain activity (as measured by an EEG) drops to zero. There is absolutely no difference between a person who has these symptoms, and a person who has been dead for 4 weeks, except the degree of decay that their body has undergone.
Baloney sandwich. There is a huge difference.
From Wikipedia, it's as good as any source for this thread, I would think:
Quote:EEG has several limitations. Most important is its poor spatial resolution. EEG is most sensitive to a particular set of post-synaptic potentials: those generated in superficial layers of the cortex, on the crests of gyri directly abutting the skull and radial to the skull. Dendrites, which are deeper in the cortex, inside sulci, in midline or deep structures (such as the cingulate gyrus or hippocampus), or producing currents that are tangential to the skull, have far less contribution to the EEG signal.
The meninges, cerebrospinal fluid and skull "smear" the EEG signal, obscuring its intracranial source.
A four week dead person is definitely dead. Furthermore, I really need to have you link a case where a person went into cardiac arrest, was measured as not breathing, clinically brain dead and had no heart beat for enough time to have a "long hallucination" as you have described. By long, you must mean a matter of seconds or very few minutes. You cannot have a "long hallucination" that can be described as a NDE if you are not dead for very long.
