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Too many near death experiences
#1
Too many near death experiences
Can near death experience stories be made up. Are religious people on the youtube video's are willing to lie about such important things to them to others and still remain in religion? There's just too many different videos on youtube describing nde's torture's of hell . Which seems too good to be true.
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RE: Too many near death experiences
You're excluding another possibility. NDEs could simply be hallucinations, which would mean that they were neither fictitious nor lies. 

Boru
'A man is accepted into a church for what he believes.  He is turned out for what he knows.' - Mark Twain
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#3
RE: NDE's
Well, almost every NDE I've ever heard involves:

-intense feelings of peace, joy, calmness
-feeling as if the person is departing their body (looking down)
-being in a tunnel / moving through dark space
-seeing bright, comforting, light
-entering light, seeing peaceful landscapes
-sometimes seeing dead relatives or a review of their life

The physiological explanation for these is the activation of the angular gyrus, and endorphin flooding the brain. Really, it seems that beyond that, any, erm, "customization" of a NDE is obviously related to that person's beliefs. Christians, surprise surprise, say they see heaven or hell. Even life long atheists will see it, if they have been primarily exposed to Christian belief and thought their whole life. A Lakota Sioux medicine man reported seeing things related to his tribe's beliefs and life experience, including a spiritual journey across the Atlantic, heavenly horses, migrating geese, and spotted eagles.

So I'm sure they're telling the truth. But it does not mean much to me.
Memento Mori
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#4
RE: Too many near death experiences
Also funny how NDE's tend to match with the culture/religion that the person was brought up in.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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RE: Too many near death experiences
(November 8, 2017 at 11:59 am)purplepurpose Wrote: Can near death experience stories be made up. Are religious people on the youtube video's are willing to lie about such important things to them to others and still remain in religion? There's just too many different videos on youtube describing nde's torture's of hell . Which seems too good to be true.

Yes and no.

There are those who claim it whom are not trying to scam people but do not understand how our species perceptions can be notoriously flawed. 

Then there are the con artists who know better but dont care.

"NEAR" should give it away alone. There is no "beyond death".

If your body has enough "juice" in it it you might come back. But, if your cells die BEYOND any window, and the juice is gone, NO YOU DO NOT COME BACK. Thus the bullshit term "Near'.

It is possible for a MISUNDERSTANDING, even by a doctor or nurse. It is possible to miss vital signs yes. But if life after death were possible, funny how you cannot decapitate someone and have them come back to life.

Coming close to death, and even misdiagnosis happens YES. But close does not count in horse shoes and hand grenades.

Point being, there is only life or death. You are either alive or dead. Coming close to death only means just that. CLOSE, but not all the way.
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RE: Too many near death experiences
(November 8, 2017 at 12:15 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: You're excluding another possibility. NDEs could simply be hallucinations, which would mean that they were neither fictitious nor lies. 

Boru

Heh  Big Grin Evolution could have made "black screen's" or a chaotic hallucinations. Evolution is like - "Let's make religious near death experiences instead of non religious to piss off people even more". What a mind****....
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RE: Too many near death experiences
(November 8, 2017 at 12:22 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(November 8, 2017 at 11:59 am)purplepurpose Wrote: Can near death experience stories be made up. Are religious people on the youtube video's are willing to lie about such important things to them to others and still remain in religion? There's just too many different videos on youtube describing nde's torture's of hell . Which seems too good to be true.

Yes and no.

There are those who claim it whom are not trying to scam people but do not understand how our species perceptions can be notoriously flawed. 

Then there are the con artists who know better but dont care.

"NEAR" should give it away alone. There is no "beyond death".

If your body has enough "juice" in it it you might come back. But, if your cells die BEYOND any window, and the juice is gone, NO YOU DO NOT COME BACK. Thus the bullshit term "Near'.

It is possible for a MISUNDERSTANDING, even by a doctor or nurse. It is possible to miss vital signs yes. But if life after death were possible, funny how you cannot decapitate someone and have them come back to life.

Coming close to death, and even misdiagnosis happens YES. But "close" only counts  in horse shoes and hand grenades.

Point being, there is only life or death. You are either alive or dead. Coming close to death only means just that. CLOSE, but not all the way. There is no life after death.
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#8
RE: Too many near death experiences
No one really knows what NDE's are. Many neurological explanations have been offered but none of them account for the totality of the experience. Could be multiple things happening in a kind of cocktail of brain events. I don't see a problem with various interpretations based on culture. That happens during normal conscious states so its nothing new for people to perceive things differently. There are enough similarities. That said these are most definitely not in the same category as hallucinations in terms of richness, clarity, complexity, and how dramatically they change the lives of those who have experienced NDE's.
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RE: Too many near death experiences
(November 8, 2017 at 11:59 am)purplepurpose Wrote: Can near death experience stories be made up. Are religious people on the youtube video's are willing to lie about such important things to them to others and still remain in religion? There's just too many different videos on youtube describing nde's torture's of hell . Which seems too good to be true.

Everybody wants to be special. So they make shit up if there's no other recourse. That explanation is a lot simpler than dead relatives calling people to Heaven.
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RE: Too many near death experiences
(November 8, 2017 at 12:24 pm)purplepurpose Wrote:
(November 8, 2017 at 12:15 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: You're excluding another possibility. NDEs could simply be hallucinations, which would mean that they were neither fictitious nor lies. 

Boru

Heh  Big Grin Evolution could have made "black screen's" or a chaotic hallucinations. Evolution is like - "Let's make religious near death experiences instead of non religious to piss off people even more". What a mind****....


No, it isn't a mind fuck at all. Most religions are essentially death cults. People who experience NDEs have been inculcated - almost from birth - as to what to expect when they die. The hallucinations are simply a reflection of that. 

Boru
'A man is accepted into a church for what he believes.  He is turned out for what he knows.' - Mark Twain
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