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Poll: Do think that the death penalty is ever appropriate?
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No, never.
58.33%
28 58.33%
In very limited circumstances, such as multiple murders.
29.17%
14 29.17%
For murder alone with aggravating circumstances.
2.08%
1 2.08%
Any violent crime should be punished by death.
6.25%
3 6.25%
Yes, as a common punishment for any serious crime.
4.17%
2 4.17%
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Atheism & the Death Penalty.
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Atheism & the Death Penalty.
Would you, as an atheist, support it?  As for me, I would not, for the following reasons:

1)  Alternatives exist, namely, prison, and in that respect, "Death by Prison" seems a completely humane alternative.

2)  Death is cruel; telling someone that "on such and such" a day "at such and such" a time, you will cease to exist seems, to me, cruel.

3)  Innocent people, of course, are going to get executed -- "improbable, but not impossible."

4)  Free will seems illusory at best; Stephen Hawking likens the brain to a computer, wetware, and if so, an absolute moral accountability seems at least somewhat illusory.

5)  The families of the condemned suffer, as do the families of the victims, as death sentences in the United States and Japan often take many years to carry out.

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And without delay Peter went quickly out of the synagogue (assembly) and went unto the house of Marcellus, where Simon lodged: and much people followed him...And Peter turned unto the people that followed him and said: Ye shall now see a great and marvellous wonder. And Peter seeing a great dog bound with a strong chain, went to him and loosed him, and when he was loosed the dog received a man's voice and said unto Peter: What dost thou bid me to do, thou servant of the unspeakable and living God? Peter said unto him: Go in and say unto Simon in the midst of his company: Peter saith unto thee, Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And immediately the dog ran and entered in, and rushed into the midst of them that were with Simon, and lifted up his forefeet and in a loud voice said: Thou Simon, Peter the servant of Christ who standeth at the door saith unto thee: Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou most wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And when Simon heard it, and beheld the incredible sight, he lost the words wherewith he was deceiving them that stood by, and all of them were amazed. (The Acts of Peter, 9)
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#2
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty.
Unfortunately, the death penalty might be a more humane way to end a persons life compared to a life sentence in some countries.

Perhaps you could add to the poll that "The accused can choose between the death penalty or life in prison (if it's a life sentence)". Since assisted suicide is legal in some countries, why shouldn't a prisoner be able to choose between the death penalty and a life sentence?
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#3
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty.
(January 20, 2016 at 7:24 am)Jehanne Wrote: Would you, as an atheist, support it?  As for me, I would not, for the following reasons:

1)  Alternatives exist, namely, prison, and in that respect, "Death by Prison" seems a completely humane alternative.

2)  Death is cruel; telling someone that "on such and such" a day "at such and such" a time, you will cease to exist seems, to me, cruel.

3)  Innocent people, of course, are going to get executed -- "improbable, but not impossible."

4)  Free will seems illusory at best; Stephen Hawking likens the brain to a computer, wetware, and if so, an absolute moral accountability seems at least somewhat illusory.

5)  The families of the condemned suffer, as do the families of the victims, as death sentences in the United States and Japan often take many years to carry out.
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If one of your question would have gone a little bit further i would have tick that box.

The question.......In very limited circumstances, such as multiple murders, rapes or torture and when rehabilitation is not possible. Lightbulb
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#4
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty.
I used to be in favour of it, but I'm now I'm somewhat more on the fence. Those are all valid arguments you make, except the free will one. If we assume there is no free will, then those handing out penalties have no free will either, to "change" the punishment. But if there in fact was free will but we assumed there wasn't, then we'd be adding unecessary leniency. However, if it was shown we have vastly reduced free will compared to how things appear to be, but still some free will, the implications would be very interesting. I've already seen cases where people have got reduced sentencing due to their brain structure acting as a mitigating circumstance (psycopathy).

In theory, of course I'm against it. If unlimited resources existed to safely house all criminals who commit all crimes, then that would be fine. But here in England we have prisons so clogged up with people that new offenders are getting more and more suspended and light sentences due to lack of space. So it all has a knock-on effect. How much of an effect, I'm not qualified to say. But people seem to rarely talk about this side of things. It may well be this isn't a big factor after all, in which case I'd come down more strongly on the side of no death penalty.

Ideally, I'd like to see those people unsafe to be in society put to productive, supervised work. Then they are giving something back to society. How you deal with those that refuse is difficult, but there could be incentives and so on.

Ricky Gervais made a comment that stuck with me a while back, although he probably didn't originate it. He said that if you start giving death sentences for crimes other than murder, you get to a point where people are more likely to commit murder as well as whatever non-murder crime, as the stakes are already as high as they can get.
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#5
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty.
Nope. Never.

More expensive than life sentence due to appeals, does not deter crime, focuses on punishment instead of resocialization, poses the very real risk of wrongly executing innocents, and most of all, it's fucking barbaric.
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RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty.
(January 20, 2016 at 7:47 am)Red_Wind Wrote: Unfortunately, the death penalty might be a more humane way to end a persons life compared to a life sentence in some countries.

Perhaps you could add to the poll that "The accused can choose between the death penalty or life in prison (if it's a life sentence)". Since assisted suicide is legal in some countries, why shouldn't a prisoner be able to choose between the death penalty and a life sentence?

Too true. If I was facing a life sentence, I'd rather die than live it out.
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#7
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty.
(January 20, 2016 at 8:21 am)robvalue Wrote:
(January 20, 2016 at 7:47 am)Red_Wind Wrote: Unfortunately, the death penalty might be a more humane way to end a persons life compared to a life sentence in some countries.

Perhaps you could add to the poll that "The accused can choose between the death penalty or life in prison (if it's a life sentence)". Since assisted suicide is legal in some countries, why shouldn't a prisoner be able to choose between the death penalty and a life sentence?

Too true. If I was facing a life sentence, I'd rather die than live it out.

It depends. You don't know beforehand whether you will have to serve it.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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#8
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty.
I think death penalty should only be administered to unborn babies... Tongue
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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#9
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty.
Well, if I was found guilty and given even 20 years, I'd rather die. I couldn't hack it. If there was no chance of a successful appeal, pass me the bleach. Of course, this is a situation where I've done something really heinous, and not just been stitched up, so it's hopefully extremely unlikely.
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#10
RE: Atheism & the Death Penalty.
(January 20, 2016 at 7:47 am)Red_Wind Wrote: Unfortunately, the death penalty might be a more humane way to end a persons life compared to a life sentence in some countries.

Perhaps you could add to the poll that "The accused can choose between the death penalty or life in prison (if it's a life sentence)". Since assisted suicide is legal in some countries, why shouldn't a prisoner be able to choose between the death penalty and a life sentence?

One can argue that prisoners can make the choice to end theirs lives on their own; they don't need the State to do that for them.  People do commit suicide in jails and prisons all the time.
And without delay Peter went quickly out of the synagogue (assembly) and went unto the house of Marcellus, where Simon lodged: and much people followed him...And Peter turned unto the people that followed him and said: Ye shall now see a great and marvellous wonder. And Peter seeing a great dog bound with a strong chain, went to him and loosed him, and when he was loosed the dog received a man's voice and said unto Peter: What dost thou bid me to do, thou servant of the unspeakable and living God? Peter said unto him: Go in and say unto Simon in the midst of his company: Peter saith unto thee, Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And immediately the dog ran and entered in, and rushed into the midst of them that were with Simon, and lifted up his forefeet and in a loud voice said: Thou Simon, Peter the servant of Christ who standeth at the door saith unto thee: Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou most wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And when Simon heard it, and beheld the incredible sight, he lost the words wherewith he was deceiving them that stood by, and all of them were amazed. (The Acts of Peter, 9)
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