(November 21, 2011 at 2:10 am)Willpower Wrote: --Length can be ascertained by the length of their account of their experience, and the level of detail of their account. Otherwise, NDE experiencers can tell you how long it subjectively felt. It is a subjective experience so I don't know how I would be able to objectively tell you how long each experience is. At the best, the research can make account for how long the person was physiologically dead.
Have you ever tried to guess the length of a dream? I would assume these supposed near death experiences are much like that. It cannot be done by the person who experienced it.
Quote:It's not just the EEG that indicates the person has no brain activity; it the cumulative of circumstances that an individual undergoes during a cardiac arrest, that makes a person lose brain function--as described in the quote I provided you. Feel free to look up and review that research if you believe it to be faulty.
Yep. I read your first two posts on the subject. I do not need to look it up. The point is that it is impossible to tell if a person is having absolutely no brain function whatsoever during cardiac arrest. Even your posts indicate that it takes a few seconds for this mechanism to begin. From what you are posting, it sounds like you expect this goes on for 15-20 minutes and more. The fact of the matter is that you have to bounce back from cardiac arrest rather quickly to survive. There is more time spent unconscious for survivors than time spent actually near death.
Quote:--From the moment that a person undergoes a cardiac arrest (which catches individuals off-guard), their blood circulation rapidly drops, and their brain function/activity approaches zero. At best, there would be the opportunity for distorted perception as everything speeds to a halt--but this would be far from creating such a vivid, real, and memorable experience.
Oh, give me a break. I have had lucid dreams while half awake. People trip balls while fully awake. It is entirely possible to hallucinate while losing consciousness.
Quote:I believe that it would be a wild assertion to state that a person with rapidly-depleting brain function would be able to muster, and furthermore vividly remember, such a strong and often life-changing "hallucination"--a "hallucination" that coincidentally happens to be very similar to that of thousands of other people who also have had near-death experiences.
Bah. It suits your conclusions, so it "intrigues" you. If you ever ate 'shrooms, you wouldn't doubt the brain's ability to totally mind fuck you.
