RE: Near-Death Experiences (NDEs), Souls, and Atheism
November 21, 2011 at 1:57 pm
(This post was last modified: November 21, 2011 at 2:08 pm by Willpower.)
(November 21, 2011 at 1:37 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: D'oh.If you read my original post carefully, you will see that my question had always referred to cardiac arrest patients, not the general population of brain-dead people. As I even clarified that in my second post:
So we've moved away from the OP claiming that these people were all BRAIN DEAD, have we? Can I just clarify?
"I see there may have been some confusion. I was posting a video to explain what NDE is. But my question is distinct from "brain-dead" or "virtual brain death" cases like the one in the video that I posted; My question is with regards to *cardiac arrest* patients, whose brain activity does indeed fall flat, as even measured by EEG." In that post, I furthermore stated how the Horizon Research Foundation explains: "Studies have shown that due to a lack of heart beat and blood flow there is a cessation of brain electrical activity within approximately 10 seconds."
In Post #24, I elaborated:
Quote:Electrical activity is the result of voltage fluctuations resulting from the ionic current flows within the neurons of the brain. The cessation of this electrical activity means that the neurons are no longer communicating.
Thus, the scenario of cardiac arrest patients is distinct from that of persons experiencing dreams/hallucinations.
When have dreams/hallucinations, there is measurable electronic activity in the brain. (It is not hard to find research on dreams and hallucinations by scientists who even graph this electronic activity--for instances, search "EEG Hallucinations" or "EEG Dreams").
During the physiological death that I described, however, there is electrical activity whatsoever. The person cannot be classified as dreaming or hallucinating if he is devoid of any electrical activity in the brain. If he were hallucinating or dreaming, the consequent electrical activity in the brain would be detectable as scientists have demonstrated numerous times before.
At best, you would have to assert that the "hallucination" or "dream" occurs within the first ten seconds of cardiac arrest, before the person's brain's electrical activities completely halt. Otherwise, a person cannot hallucinate or dream while in cardiac arrest.
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