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Indoctrination
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RE: Indoctrination
(January 21, 2022 at 11:39 am)Ahriman Wrote: It's not that science isn't important, it's your attitude towards it that makes me think it dominates your thinking. You say science has made all kinds of things possible, but do you even know where science came from? The neanderthals didn't have science, which is why they were always so primitive. But God blessed humanity with science, in order to facilitate our evolution.

In fact I have spent a good deal of time thinking, learning and debating about the origins of science, as lots of critical thinkers do; it's not uncommon at all.  After all, its reasonable, expected even, to want to know where this idea that shapes so much of our life came from.  Grade school does a pretty horrible job of this (mine anyway), so I was left to ask questions once I became aware enough to even do that.  For me that started around middle school but didn't become rigorous until I reached college and beyond.  No one knows for certain where the origins of science came from, but it is clearly rooted in the curiosity and imagination of humans.  There is plenty of evidence that humans have been experimenting with their environment for tens of thousands of years, perhaps more.  The ancient Egyptians and Mesopotamians certainly utilized scientific ideas and made extraordinary discoveries.  But formal ideas about science began with Greek philosophy and in fact science itself is an offshoot of philosophy.  There is no reason to assume any god "blessed" humans with science and there is certainly no evidence of that.  The evolution of humans took place millions of years before any evidence of human ingenuity appears in the fossil record.  One can only speculate about the kinds of things our distant ancestors were thinking.  But one thing is for certain, it wasn't until the renaissance that scientific thinking gained a permanent foothold in human society and began to significantly alter the trajectory of human existence.  What astonishes me is that you ask this sort of question on a forum when there are literally hundreds (maybe thousands) of books, videos, films and more available that explain this.

And understanding the origins of science only gets one an understanding of what the scientific method is and why it is the most valid and reliable form of advancing knowledge.  It doesn't get you anywhere near the question of how knowledge of science can influence one's views on religion.  It certainly says nothing about indoctrination.  So let's get one thing straight and without this there can be no conversation.  One cannot indoctrinate oneself.  That is an axiom.  One can educate oneself on any topic and it is possible to educate oneself with bad information and thus become poorly informed.  But that is not the same thing as indoctrination, which by definition means someone else filled your head with information of their choosing without your consent.  And I was most certainly not indoctrinated into scientific thinking.  Religion, yes.  Science, no.  Got that?

(January 21, 2022 at 12:20 pm)no one Wrote: The neanderthals did have science, they just didn't understand it.

god is make believe.

The aliens gave them TVs, too, but they mistook them for rocks and smashed each other over the head with them.
Why is it so?
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Indoctrination - by Spongebob - January 21, 2022 at 10:50 am
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 21, 2022 at 11:02 am
RE: Indoctrination - by Spongebob - January 21, 2022 at 11:03 am
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 21, 2022 at 11:09 am
RE: Indoctrination - by Spongebob - January 21, 2022 at 11:21 am
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 21, 2022 at 11:28 am
RE: Indoctrination - by Jehanne - January 21, 2022 at 11:38 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Simon Moon - January 21, 2022 at 1:57 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Spongebob - January 21, 2022 at 11:31 am
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 21, 2022 at 11:39 am
RE: Indoctrination - by Spongebob - January 21, 2022 at 12:32 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by no one - January 21, 2022 at 12:20 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by no one - January 21, 2022 at 1:19 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Mister Agenda - January 21, 2022 at 1:24 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Spongebob - January 21, 2022 at 1:29 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 21, 2022 at 1:34 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Spongebob - January 21, 2022 at 1:45 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Mister Agenda - January 21, 2022 at 1:48 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Spongebob - January 21, 2022 at 2:04 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 21, 2022 at 1:27 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Astreja - January 22, 2022 at 1:36 am
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 22, 2022 at 8:16 am
RE: Indoctrination - by Mister Agenda - January 22, 2022 at 10:23 am
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 22, 2022 at 11:26 am
RE: Indoctrination - by Mister Agenda - January 24, 2022 at 1:05 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Astreja - January 22, 2022 at 6:14 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Anomalocaris - January 31, 2022 at 8:58 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - February 1, 2022 at 3:59 am
RE: Indoctrination - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 1, 2022 at 4:40 am
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - February 1, 2022 at 4:53 am
RE: Indoctrination - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 1, 2022 at 5:04 am
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - February 1, 2022 at 5:11 am
RE: Indoctrination - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 1, 2022 at 5:25 am
RE: Indoctrination - by Mister Agenda - February 1, 2022 at 11:43 am
RE: Indoctrination - by zebo-the-fat - February 1, 2022 at 11:58 am
RE: Indoctrination - by Astreja - February 1, 2022 at 12:11 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - February 1, 2022 at 12:27 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 1, 2022 at 12:49 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - February 1, 2022 at 1:01 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 1, 2022 at 1:14 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Deesse23 - February 1, 2022 at 2:01 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Simon Moon - February 1, 2022 at 6:19 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Astreja - February 1, 2022 at 11:13 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - February 2, 2022 at 10:49 am
RE: Indoctrination - by Angrboda - February 2, 2022 at 12:01 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Astreja - February 3, 2022 at 12:38 am
RE: Indoctrination - by Spongebob - February 11, 2022 at 3:28 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - February 11, 2022 at 3:47 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Simon Moon - February 21, 2022 at 12:53 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - February 21, 2022 at 1:12 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Simon Moon - February 22, 2022 at 6:04 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - February 22, 2022 at 9:37 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 21, 2022 at 1:52 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Deesse23 - January 22, 2022 at 9:07 am
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 21, 2022 at 2:04 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Simon Moon - January 21, 2022 at 2:25 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by zebo-the-fat - January 21, 2022 at 3:02 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Spongebob - January 21, 2022 at 3:21 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Spongebob - January 21, 2022 at 2:26 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Mister Agenda - January 21, 2022 at 6:53 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by The Architect Of Fate - January 21, 2022 at 11:50 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Angrboda - January 22, 2022 at 10:34 am
RE: Indoctrination - by zebo-the-fat - January 22, 2022 at 12:13 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 22, 2022 at 12:42 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by The Grand Nudger - January 22, 2022 at 12:55 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 22, 2022 at 1:01 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Astreja - January 24, 2022 at 2:46 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 24, 2022 at 2:59 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Astreja - January 24, 2022 at 4:08 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 24, 2022 at 4:18 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Astreja - January 24, 2022 at 4:24 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 24, 2022 at 4:30 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Astreja - January 24, 2022 at 4:33 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 24, 2022 at 4:40 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Astreja - January 24, 2022 at 5:46 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by The Grand Nudger - January 22, 2022 at 1:06 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 22, 2022 at 1:10 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Jehanne - January 22, 2022 at 5:54 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 22, 2022 at 5:59 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Angrboda - January 22, 2022 at 6:16 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 22, 2022 at 6:26 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Astreja - January 23, 2022 at 1:25 am
RE: Indoctrination - by Jehanne - January 23, 2022 at 7:28 am
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 23, 2022 at 8:02 am
RE: Indoctrination - by Angrboda - January 23, 2022 at 9:47 am
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 23, 2022 at 9:52 am
RE: Indoctrination - by Angrboda - January 23, 2022 at 11:13 am
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 23, 2022 at 11:39 am
RE: Indoctrination - by Simon Moon - January 23, 2022 at 1:16 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Astreja - January 23, 2022 at 2:11 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Jehanne - January 23, 2022 at 2:29 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Fireball - January 23, 2022 at 3:43 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by The Grand Nudger - January 22, 2022 at 1:17 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by zebo-the-fat - January 22, 2022 at 1:20 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by The Architect Of Fate - January 22, 2022 at 6:56 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Angrboda - January 22, 2022 at 7:11 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Jehanne - January 23, 2022 at 1:04 am
RE: Indoctrination - by The Grand Nudger - January 23, 2022 at 12:25 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 23, 2022 at 1:23 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Deesse23 - January 23, 2022 at 2:04 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Simon Moon - January 23, 2022 at 8:50 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by The Grand Nudger - January 23, 2022 at 2:09 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Jehanne - January 23, 2022 at 3:55 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Angrboda - January 23, 2022 at 4:05 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Disagreeable - January 23, 2022 at 8:53 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by The Grand Nudger - January 24, 2022 at 4:40 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by The Grand Nudger - January 24, 2022 at 4:43 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by zebo-the-fat - January 24, 2022 at 5:05 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 24, 2022 at 5:07 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by zebo-the-fat - January 24, 2022 at 5:14 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by The Grand Nudger - January 24, 2022 at 5:14 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 24, 2022 at 5:28 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by brewer - January 24, 2022 at 5:34 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 24, 2022 at 5:39 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by brewer - January 24, 2022 at 5:41 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Astreja - January 24, 2022 at 5:49 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 24, 2022 at 6:03 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Mister Agenda - January 25, 2022 at 12:03 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 25, 2022 at 12:11 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by The Grand Nudger - January 24, 2022 at 5:40 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by The Grand Nudger - January 24, 2022 at 5:47 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 24, 2022 at 6:00 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by The Grand Nudger - January 24, 2022 at 6:02 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by The Grand Nudger - January 24, 2022 at 6:04 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by The Grand Nudger - January 25, 2022 at 12:06 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by The Grand Nudger - January 25, 2022 at 3:30 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 25, 2022 at 4:28 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Simon Moon - January 25, 2022 at 4:53 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Simon Moon - January 31, 2022 at 8:19 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by HappySkeptic - January 25, 2022 at 5:49 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Fireball - January 25, 2022 at 8:38 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by The Grand Nudger - January 25, 2022 at 4:37 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 25, 2022 at 4:43 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by The Grand Nudger - January 25, 2022 at 4:46 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Ahriman - January 25, 2022 at 4:53 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by The Grand Nudger - January 25, 2022 at 5:16 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by Goosebump - February 17, 2022 at 7:51 am
RE: Indoctrination - by LadyForCamus - February 22, 2022 at 6:33 pm
RE: Indoctrination - by The Grand Nudger - February 23, 2022 at 2:29 am
RE: Indoctrination - by LadyForCamus - February 23, 2022 at 2:40 am
RE: Indoctrination - by The Grand Nudger - February 23, 2022 at 2:53 am

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