(November 21, 2011 at 5:01 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: Do you understand Rayaan that a theist can only believe, or claim to know or think he knows god/allah is real? You probably do.
No, a theist can only believe at the extent of his own intuition and inductive reasoning, but he cannot know that God is real.
Of course, this might make sense to himself while others may think that he is delusional.
(November 21, 2011 at 5:03 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Just out of curiosity, do you apply the same standard to gnostic theists?
Yeah, because I don't think that any theist actually know that God exists (unless maybe if they saw Him or something, which I can't prove either).
(November 21, 2011 at 5:14 pm)Anymouse Wrote: We have no evidence of any two physical objects occupying the same space at the same instant. This lack of evidence is sufficient proof to show it cannot happen, at least sufficiently that I do not need to be "agnostic" about the theory of two objects occupying the same space.
I disagree, Anymouse, because lack of evidence for such a thing does not mean that it cannot ever happen, but just that it is highly improbable. So, even if there is no evidence of two objects occupying the same space, one still cannot know for sure whether or not this can ever happen.
In physics, there is something called "quantum tunneling," which proves that the probability of any individual particle in your body suddenly being on the other side of a wall is not exactly zero. The same thing can happen to an individual particle from any other object. So, mathematically speaking, it's also possible that an entire object such as tennis ball, for example, can pass through a solid wall even though the probability of such a thing happening is very, very small. Likewise, maybe it's also possible that two bowling balls can occupy the same region of space at the same time (as strange as it may sound).
