(February 8, 2022 at 2:34 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: No. I'm referring to the use of camels as a literary device in stories set before their domestication.
Well, wikipedia says:
When humans first domesticated camels is disputed. The first domesticated dromedaries may have been in southern Arabia around 3000 BCE or as late as 1000 BCE, and Bactrian camels in central Asia around 2500 BCE,[17][76][77][78][79] as at Shahr-e Sukhteh (also known as the Burnt City), Iran.[80]
I’m not sure what you are referring to exactly. The Genesis story simply doesn’t make sense. Right after the global flood, I think it was 108 y later, suddenly, the Tanakh is talking about Egypt. There isn’t enough time for cultural evolution.
Anything else the Tanakh says automatically becomes highly suspicious.
Quote:Disparities between their accounts are not examples, even, of a "jesus-the-man" being inconsistent. It's an issue of an author using a literary device to narrate their ideological persuasions. If you dig into it, you'll find that you've quoted selections from at least five different authors. We don't think that all of these authors collaborated with or were fully appraised of the contents of each others work, separated by time, by community, by tradition, by opportunity. They did not (and could not) forget what they may not have known.
I agree. The disparities don’t tell us that the story is fake. It is just different authors and probably they haven’t witnessed anything. They aren’t journalists.
However, it is comical when people claim that this text comes from a god.
The europeans who compiled the Bible could have smoothed things out but probably they were confused and could not tell which one is suppose to be the perfect text. They probably had long arguments over it and no side won and so, they decided to put a bunch of contradicting text together while rejecting the rest of the contradicting and long stories.
What indicates to me that these stories are fake is the ludicrous events, the ludicrous conversations.
I’m sure that certain things are true, for example, I sure that there was a group of people who disliked the Pharisees, the high priests, the chief priests, the tax collectors, the Samaritans, Herod the great, Herod’s wife, Pontius Pilate.
The feelings are real. The story is not so much real.
Here is a set of ludicrous conversations.
Quote:Matthew 8:5 KING JAMES VERSION
And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him, {8:6} And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented. {8:7} And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him. {8:8} The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed. {8:9} For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it. {8:10} When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. {8:11} And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. {8:12} But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. {8:13} And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour. {8:14} And when Jesus was come into Peter’s house, he saw his wife’s mother laid, and sick of a fever. {8:15} And he touched her hand, and the fever left her: and she arose, and ministered unto them. {8:16} When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick: {8:17} That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.
^^^^^Why would a centurion go to Jesus? Notice how Jesus does not resist. He says no problem. Why is it that elsewhere, Jesus is not interested in helping some lady?
A centurion saying “Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof”? I don’t think so.
The centurion is used as an example of a foreigner having faith in Jesus but the people of Jesus, the jews, don’t have faith.
“Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.”
Elsewhere, I see the same pattern. Somewhere, Jesus says “How come a prophet is disrespected in his home town?”
There is also the part about the samaritan helping someone but the jews do not.
There is also the part about the samaritan leper getting healed and says thank you and Jesus says “What a nice guy. Why are my own people asshole?”
Here is the text:
Quote:Luke 17:11 KING JAMES VERSION
And it came to pass, as he went to Jerusalem, that he passed through the midst of Samaria and Galilee. {17:12} And as he entered into a certain village, there met him ten men that were lepers, which stood afar off: {17:13} And they lifted up their voices, and said, Jesus, Master, have mercy on us. {17:14} And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go shew yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed. {17:15} And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God, {17:16} And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a Samaritan. {17:17} And Jesus answering said, Were there not ten cleansed? but where are the nine? {17:18} There are not found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger. {17:19} And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.
^^^^^The Bible quite often urinates on samaritans.
Here, it is making the point that even a samaritan is thankful but his own people did not thank him.
This tells us that the followers of the Jesus sect are upset that other jews are not joining them.
Also, about that centurion (Matthew 8:5) that Jesus really really liked, did I mention that Jesus urinates on the jews of that town?
Quote:Luke 10:10 KING JAMES VERSION
But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say, {10:11} Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you. {10:12} But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city. {10:13} Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon, which have been done in you, they had a great while ago repented, sitting in sackcloth and ashes. {10:14} But it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment, than for you. {10:15} And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shalt be thrust down to hell.
^^^^^Notice how Jesus is saying go fuck yourself to all the people of Capernaum.
