RE: Agnostic Atheism? Your opinions..
November 22, 2011 at 12:37 pm
(This post was last modified: November 22, 2011 at 12:44 pm by mayor of simpleton.)
(November 22, 2011 at 11:39 am)Captain Scarlet Wrote: Agnostic atheism seems to stem from a need to express an intellectually honest approach, in that we cannot know anything 100% unless we are ourselves omniscient.
I think you have touched on something here that is maybe worth investigating.
Why is the criteria of "knowing" founded upon 100% knowledge of all possible case scenarious past present and future?
example...
I am fully aware of the effects of gravity. I am not fully aware of all case scenarious of how gravity may or may not effect events, past present or future.
Is it possible to take exception the "knowing" that if one jumps off the top of the Burj Khalifa in Dubai, without a parachute or anything else to hinder one's fall, that one will fall to the ground below?
Is it possible to "know" that such a fall will indeed cause death?
I can certainly go to the pains of placing here a mathematical equasion to verify that the physical body cannot withstand the impact of such a fall and there is no chance of surviving such a fall. (I choose this rather than falling into a wood chipper, as that requires even less math to figure out... I wish to give the "neh sayers" a bit of a chance here)
I am not aware of the effects of gravity in all cases from all buildings and all altitudes, but I can certainly say, beyond a reasonable doubt, that if you care to jump off the top of this building, you will fall to your certain death.
"Beyond a reasonable doubt"...
Some doubts are reasonable, but others may well not be. Do we have any doubts that there is not such thing as a square circle? Just because one can say the term"square circle", does not make it a reality in the empirical/physical sense of the word, other than being a "figure of speech".
A deity of theism = supernatural being
Proof of such a deity comes from our experience = experience of the natural
Natural proves supernatural?
Such misappropriations of natural evidences to confirm a supernatural whatever do provide very reasonable doubts; thus the dismissal of them being so. The possibility of natural evidences cannot logically include the wishful imagination of supernatural whatevers. Just as, the possible figures that one can draw on a piece of paper will never include a thing that is a indeed a square circle. No amount of physical probability can support superphysical wishful thinking. This can ideed be "known" and "known for sure".
Knowing is not an issue of being omni-whatever, but simply an act of knowledge... not an act of faith.
Again... let's not mix up empirical evidences with intuitive notions.
Just as one cannot hold faith up to the standard of empirical evaluation; one cannot invalidate empirical investigation with the whims of intuitive wishes.
Meow!
GREG
Moral is as moral does and as moral wishes it all too be. - MoS
The absence of all empirical evidence for the necessity of intuitive X existing is evidence against the necessary empirical existence of intuitive X - MoS (variation of 180proof)
Athesim is not a system of belief, but rather a single answer to a single question. It is the designation applied by theists to those who do not share their assumption that a god/deity exists. - MoS
I am not one to attribute godlike qualities to things that I am unable to understand. I may never be in the position to understand certain things, but I am not about to create an anthropomorphic deity out of my short-commings. I wish not to errect a monument to my own personal ignorace and demand that others worship this proxy of ego. - MoS
The absence of all empirical evidence for the necessity of intuitive X existing is evidence against the necessary empirical existence of intuitive X - MoS (variation of 180proof)
Athesim is not a system of belief, but rather a single answer to a single question. It is the designation applied by theists to those who do not share their assumption that a god/deity exists. - MoS
I am not one to attribute godlike qualities to things that I am unable to understand. I may never be in the position to understand certain things, but I am not about to create an anthropomorphic deity out of my short-commings. I wish not to errect a monument to my own personal ignorace and demand that others worship this proxy of ego. - MoS