(March 22, 2022 at 7:56 pm)Belacqua Wrote:(March 22, 2022 at 7:20 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote: Science gives us pragmatic truth, not ultimate truth.
So there are two kinds of truth.
Quote: We will likely never understand the true nature of reality, but we'll darn well give it a try.
The scientific theories themselves are not truth. They provide a framework for making predictions. That framework is very human, and is always going to be in terms that humans can understand. It isn't a god's view on reality.
Definition #1 says: 1) Science is a self-correcting construct through which we discover truths about the universe. Scientific inquiry is rigorously unbiased and self-critical, and is applicable to any area of human endeavor. Our knowledge corresponds to how objective reality is, independent of human existence.
So if you're saying that we'll never understand the true nature of reality, and that all our knowledge is in a human framework, it sounds as if you're much closer to #2: "2) Science is a human construct with all the biases and cultural influences that entails, and is inextricably linked to war, politics and business. The knowledge it produces merely imposes order on the chaos of phenomena to make it comprehensible to humans."
Although, as I said earlier, #2 has its benefits.
Yeah, the benefit resides entirely, no doubt, in the fact that it seems you to make it possible for pure bullshit to pretend it is not intrinsically more bullshitty than partial truths.
