(April 27, 2022 at 3:12 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(April 27, 2022 at 2:04 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: You didn't answer the question though. What if he runs again? Why do you let him run the 1st time but not the next time? What is the difference between the two situations? Him grabbing the cops weapon at home could result in his children, if he has any, being shot by the cops by accidental crossfire. You try to pick him up at work and he fights the cops there, you are putting his co-workers in danger. Why is that any better of a situation?
The difference is that he'd be in a familiar environment - people DO react differently in different situations. Remember - in the interaction that cost him his life, he was on the street and clearly didn't understand what was going on. What follows is a not unlikely scenario:
Two cops go to his home and explain why they're there. They tell him that a number plate violation isn't terribly serious, but that he'll need to come along with them sort out the resisting thing. Understanding that he's not in a serious amount of trouble, he goes along quietly. His court appointed lawyer meets with him at the jail and explains his options. At his arraignment the next day, the court sets a modest bail and Mr. Lyoya is released pending a preliminary hearing.
See? Justice is served - Mr. Lyoya is now in the justice system and is going to have to accept whatever penalty society demands for the heinous crimes of 1) having a bad number plate and 2) being afraid of cops. The chief difference between what did happen and what could have happened, is that - in my scenario - Mr. Lyoya's two children still have their father.
Boru
Or you have another Brianna Taylor situation. Your guess is as good as mine.
He didn't understand what was going on? Sounds to me like you are being pretty disrespectful to this man and his intelligence by assuming that. He's not a mentally challenged child, and he confirmed that he could speak English. And I'm pretty sure he knew that he was in the US and was not still in the Congo with Congolese police, unless he was having a PTSD episode. I think he would have known the difference between the two. It's easy to do what you're doing and armchair quarterback in hindsight. It's ridiculous to say in hindsight that in the short time the policeman had to react, that he should have reminded himself that this guy is African so therefore he's justified in being scared enough to wrestle me for my weapon and therefore I should let him run away because I'm sure he'll comply next time at his home or work if I just ask him nicer next time.
I don't think you're meaning to be prejudiced with your post, but I do think you're being disrespectful to African immigrants in general. These are some of the brightest people in the US/West and they know what's up.
You're allowed to run from the police. That's all fine and dandy and I guess even understandable since no one wants to be locked in a box, and the feeling of oncoming claustrophobia can cause you to instinctively bolt. Taking the police officers' taser is a whole different matter, however. The mistake the officer made in this case is allowing the man to take his taser/making it too easy. If he didn't make that dumb mistake, the man would still likely be alive. I don't believe hardly anyone is actually afraid of being shot by the police. I don't buy that narrative. People run because they don't want to be locked in a box and lose their freedom. It generally has nothing whatsoever to do with worrying about getting shot.
