UK STRIKE DAY 30TH NOVEMBER

[Tiberius]

Me, you and bozo are nowhere near bordering on fascism. Me and bozo share NOTHING in common with fascism, which is median to right wing extreme authoritarianism. right wing libertarians only share some right wing aspects that fascists agree with, but oppose their authoritarianism. this is what was confussing me before, but now I have corrected it.
In other words, me and bozo are diametrically opposed to the concept of fascism. we are the complete opposite of fascists.
As far as "all the times he has attacked me", I just dont see it. I have, on the other hand, seen you openly attack him on this thread.

Fascism is extreme authoritarianism; its place on a "left-right" spectrum is still disputed by political academics. Fascists hold nothing in common with right-wing libertarians. Fascists want a state-controlled and regulated economy, something very much in common with branches of socialism. Maybe you should read up on what fascism actually is before you attempt to argue it in a discussion?

If you haven't seen any examples of bozo attacking me, you are either blind, delusional, or lying. After I said he had lost his sense of humour, he responded "Fuck you, arsehole." That's just one example.

so then you support socialistic methods to ensure that everyone eats and has good healthcare regardless of social status and monetary gain. If so, then that doesnt make you right wing libertarian, nor does it make you anarcho-capitalist. It makes you more on the line that me and Bozo are on. So which one is it? Do you support capitalism, or do you support socialism? supporting capitalism means you expect losers to exist, and just like the recent GOP candidate discussions, you would applaud the idea of the man dying that could not afford healthcare. Socialists dispise this idea, and therefore want universal healthcare so that children and families will not die.
So which one is it..are you socialist or capitalist?

No, I don't support socialistic methods to ensure everyone eats or has good healthcare. I'm not even sure how that comes into a discussion of savings vs pensions. I support capitalism, and I support individualism. I believe that in a society where the government tries not to interfere with individual matters, charities will. That is, without "big brother" looking after us, we look after each other.

No, I would not applaud the idea of a man dying because he could not afford healthcare. This is just another lie and smear, and also completely uncalled for. Believe it or not, there are alternatives to universal healthcare; how about having societies look after their members themselves, through the extra money they get from not having to support big government.

You didnt? So you want people to decide wether they want a socialist state, just as long as you can "opt out"? That makes zero sense, and sounds more like privatised health insurance as opposed to universal health. So you want other children to have free healthcare, but you dont want to pay for it? Yet that somehow makes you in support of healthcare for poor children and families? You are making ZERO sense and sound more like you are back peddling to me.

No, I want people to be in charge of their own decisions. The current system we have in the UK works a bit like that. The government supply a minimum pension to people over retirement age. If you pay more into that pension, you get more at the end. Alternatively, you can invest your money in savings. There is nothing back peddling about it, given that I never even commented on policy before now. As I stated, all my posts in this thread have been about MY personal choice.

Wait. So If I flip burgers, and you create security software, then you think I should get the same outcome as you? Same pay? Same benefits? If so, how is that capitalism? How is that right wing libertarianism? What you described is what me and bozo advocate.

No, I believe that a person should get out of a system something proportional to what they put into it. It requires far more skill and expertise to creature security software than it does to flip burgers, which means I am entitled to more output (a higher wage) than the person who flips burgers. "Equal output" to me means that the only things considered are the skills and amount of work put into the job. We don't care who the people are; what colour they are, what gender they are. If they put x amount of work in, they get x amount of money for it. If they put 10x amount of work in, they get 10x amount of money for it.

If you honestly advocate the same pay across the board, independent of the job at hand, then I'm in disbelief. In no sane system should a person who does a relatively easy job (flipping burgers to use your example) be given the same amount of pay as someone who risks their life, or who has invested time and money in gaining skills that are one in a million. That isn't fair.

Bozo censored you? How? When? Where?
Bozo defends inequality, borders fascism, and defends censorship? That isnt Bozo. Me and him have had many PM's and I can honestly say he is NOT what you suggest he is.

Bozo hasn't censored me. Bozo supports censorship. He has on occasion in these forums, expressed the view that he wants racist behaviour punishable in some way, even if it is just expressing a view. Recently, he supported action taken against a woman who had a golliwog displayed in her window. That is censorship.

I'm sure you've had many PMs with bozo. I'm sure the fact that you guys agree on most things doesn't in any way affect your view of him. </sarcasm>

Oh, I get it. Look at Adrian beat his chest. adrian is so much more better than those out there fighting for a better life. Of course, those who are fighting for a better life do not have the same sense of duty that Adrian has. Or do they have NO sense of duty Adrian? So everytime I went on strike, I was merely loafing around, skipping work and shirking my sense of duty while Adrian held his head high and kept letting the system ram a dry one into him. This one quote you posted speaks VOLUMES of your naivety and ignorance of labor history Adrian. If you had of done something like this on a job I was on, I would have ganged up with quite a few other brothers and ran your ass off on a rail.
There is also a name for people who refuse to strike and talk the way you do in my circles. "A scab". Do whatever you can to protect your employer from being hurt Adrian. Im sure they will eventually reward you for it...hopefully...and when you see everyone who tried to fight for YOUR and their rights get walked off the job, you can rub your hands together thinking of how quick you can move up the ladder.

You see, you've just admitted to ganging up on people. How many people do you think strike out of fear of being called a "scab"? Probably a fair few; those that are thankful for the jobs they have, and just want to work hard. Well I don't care if I'm a "scab". I'd rather be a scab and work hard at my job, than strike and leave those who depend on my work behind, especially if they include children in need of an education.