UK STRIKE DAY 30TH NOVEMBER

[reverendjeremiah]

You see, you've just admitted to ganging up on people. How many people do you think strike out of fear of being called a "scab"? Probably a fair few; those that are thankful for the jobs they have, and just want to work hard. Well I don't care if I'm a "scab". I'd rather be a scab and work hard at my job, than strike and leave those who depend on my work behind, especially if they include children in need of an education.

You can be thankful for your job all you want. Those who are job scared are willing slaves to wage. And then I am supposed to just go on your word that people strike for fear of being called a scab? How many people in your work wh refuse to strike refuse on the grounds that they feel that people like you might turn them over to the bosses? Probably a fair few, wouldnt you think? You see, that "what if" game can be played both ways, and has ZERO bearing on the strike at hand. And more of your chest beating, suggesting that because you dont strike you are a harder worker than others, and then drag in children needing to be educated to spice up the guilt.

I work HEAVY industrial labor. I deal with huge and heavy sticks of ridgid conduit on a daily basis, suspended up 50+ foot in the air screwing these pipes together, in the hot summer sun or fighting the ice of winter. Then I have to pull in huge cables and introduce high voltage to them, which I sometimes have to work on them live. Lately I have been jack hammering concrete in order to sink these pipes far enough under ground for them to be safe from people who dig. All this while welders lift tons of metal over my head with welding sparks flying all over me...and I do this at 60+ hours per week. Sometimes I do this work standing on boats underneath peirs of military bases. Sometimes I am in the manhole doing work with the equivalent of one million+ volts surrounding me, that merely needs a single pin prick in their insulation to cause an explosion that will take my life, not to mention the snakes and black widow spiders. I face a very painful death as a real situation every day I walk onto my job.

Since we are discussing who works hard at their job and who doesnt, I will ask you this: If the employer tries to fuck me because of my wages, and tries to keep them stagnant, and I go on strike because of it (and therefore cost my own family money in the process) does that make you a harder worker than I because you decided not to strike from your inside computer job?

As far as I am concerned, if you are willing to co-op with society, then your job is equal to mine and you deserve equal outcome. Let me explain...

If you honestly advocate the same pay across the board, independent of the job at hand, then I'm in disbelief. In no sane system should a person who does a relatively easy job (flipping burgers to use your example) be given the same amount of pay as someone who risks their life, or who has invested time and money in gaining skills that are one in a million. That isn't fair.

I very much believe it. I dont even expect you to comprehend it, nor study it, nor even care about it. It IS fair, it is very fair. In fact, giving every human on this planet an equal slice of the pie is the fairest system in the world. The fact that you cannot see the truth of this is because your eyes are blinded by greed.

Currently, I feel that you flip flop so much when you talk that you arent even sure what you stand for. I stand for labor. I stand for people being the value of a society.

Now, feel free to respond to this. Once you have responded, I suggest that both of us back away from each other for a time being..as we are obviously upsetting some of the members...even though we are pretty much staying on topic, its getting a bit heated. I will let you have the last word on me for our discussion as a promisory note that, even though we may not agree, I still consider your freedom of speech to be important.