(June 1, 2022 at 2:06 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: For the record,
1) It's one thing to give someone a second chance. When he's currently working on another relationship and he's still being abusive (which covers a good-sized portion of the video), that kinda rings hollow. About the only positive I can give for his growth is that at least the videos of his time with his current girlfriend seems (as far as I know) to mostly be down to emotional abuse rather than physical.
2) For what it's worth, there's another version of the doco without the music. I should probably have linked to that one.
3) The circumstances that led to Vaush and Contra falling out are a bit more complicated than you presented it, and, frankly, it's a situation where nobody comes out looking particularly good.
And back to the subject at hand, regardless of any drama Max Karson or Natalie Wynn have endured, in the video you presented, it's concise, but it ends up sounding a bit questionable and uncomfortably right-wing-adjacent. Indeed, less than a minute after the part you linked to in the &t section of the video, he outright says that "when people say trans women are women, they are lying to you." Regardless of Karson's actual beliefs, this is the sort of thing that makes people (especially trans folk) think "Well, this person has nothing worthwhile to say." And Natalie's video, as long as it is, does a good job of explaining the pitfalls of echo chambers and cancel culture, and doing so in terms that the left is more likely to listen to.
Vaush actually comes out of it swimmingly, and I don't even agree with Vaush that JK Rowling dislikes trans people. Vaush did NOTHING out of line. Natalie is full of herself and thinks her opinion trumps all cis people by default, which is BS. That argument is no better than Candice Owens saying she speaks for the blacks. I used to like Contra and watch a bunch of her videos, but she's lost me at this point. No more. She makes a 2 hour video crying about how people tried to cancel her, and then she turns around and ends her relationship with Vaush because he refused to concede to her on trans issues. At least she didn't try to cancel vaush publicly, but nonetheless, she's a huge hypocrite and she pretty much no longer exists to me after what she did to Vaush. Mr. Girl>>>>Contrapoints, because Mr. Girl has admitted to wrong doing. Contrapoints needs to do the same, and Vaush deserves an apology for being 100 percent in the right. Maybe Contra was going through some mental health things and regrets how she treated Vaush that day, but if that's the case, I'd like for her to come forward and admit such. Tell us she just had a bad, really emotional day, and I might be willing to forgive her.
