UK STRIKE DAY 30TH NOVEMBER

[Tiberius]

right..because I dont have to think, or run through countless pages of blueprints and codes and local laws. I merely work like a grunt. In no way do I have to use mathematics on site to figure loads and pipe bends (which require trigonometry and applied physics). Like I am just a grunt.

I never said you were "just a grunt". I said my job was less physically difficult, and more mentally difficult. I don't doubt that your job requires thinking; my point was that mine requires a great deal more. I'm in research; one of the few jobs out there which is almost 100% thinking.

then YOUR type comes in, making $300 per hour while I make $23 an hour.

You see, this is where you fall down, because you could have asked me a simple question: "Adrian, how much do you make an hour?". I would have gladly answered you; but instead, you make a massive assumption about me, and it turns out to be completely wrong. I just did the calculation; I make $21 an hour, without tax. This is what happens when you abandon all politeness in a debate; you paint your opponent in completely the wrong light, as you have done time and time again here.

I have also been trained to do what they do... yet I dont get their jobs. Jobs like those are pork barrel jobs given as favors to relatives.

If you've really been trained to do what they do, go out and get a job doing what they do. If you are implying that I got my job as some family favour, I can assure you I got my job like most people; by passing an interview and being the best candidate.

So sure..your job is much more mentally fatiguing as mine...and "less physically difficult"? You have to be kidding me. How about "NOT physically difficult". thats more about reality son.

You realise that "not physically difficult" is still less physically difficult than what you do right? C'mon now, you're just arguing semantics.

..and even then, I am willing to share my pie with you. you may call me insane for such a gesture. I will merely smile as I hand it to you...that is, if you are willing to reciprocate.

I'm willing to share my pie with anyone; I just oppose being forced into doing it. I give to charity, I buy things for my friends, etc, but I'll object if the government (or anyone else) demands that I do it. There is nothing moral about forcing people to be "kind". Moreover, people aren't going to suddenly stop being kind if the government grants them more freedom with their money.

You are truly a one-off. I have never come across anybody so self-centred, self opinionated and objectionable as you.

Right back at you.

You like to attack people, not just me, if they have views that you not only disagree with but which really wind you up in the way , let's say like the issue of racism does. By the way,since when is " suspecting " a direct accusation? I chose my word carefully as I would need more evidence for that.

No, I like to debate people. You are the one who goes around calling me an "arsehole" and a "suspected closet racist" because I have the nerve to challenge your beliefs. I don't care if you don't think suspecting someone of being a racist isn't a direct accusation; I find it insulting to even be "suspected", especially given my history on these forums of defending social equality.

You think you are very clever and you love to batter opponents into submission in exchanges on this forum. I've witnessed your style over the 3 years I've been here.

Says the guy who has opened most of his responses to me with the words "To the arsehole". Debating is agressive; people from two opposing viewpoints clashing is bound to get both sides riled up. I've not once demanded you shut up, or done anything to "batter you into submission". I've done what any good debater does; attack their opponent's argument. Mostly, I've done it without the need to resort to foul language (although I admit, calling you a borderline-fascist was probably a step over the line, and I retract it).

Well you won't batter me arsehole, so if it's too hot then stay out the kitchen. I won't accept you coming over all hurt at a bit of name-calling. This is real life not your bubble world so learn to live with it.

Don't accept it then; I think it's a piss poor way to debate. I've received support from numerous people on these forums who agree with that statement. I founded these forums on the principle that people of differing beliefs can debate without insulting each other, and for the most part, it has worked. That kind of sentiment never did stick with you though.

If there is any way you can grant some freedom on this post...perhaps move it to the pit and allow everyone to speak their mind without fear of being banned, then I will gladly continue this discussion with you.

It won't get moved to the pit. There is absolutely no need for people to start using insulting language in this kind of debate. If you don't think you can discuss our differing opinions without resorting to attacking me personally, or accusing me of sick and twisted things, then don't respond to my posts. I'm not going to hold it against you if you don't want to debate anymore; I understand it's a logical fallacy to act victorious if your opponent steps out of a debate. Either you can act with the degree of civility that these forums demand, or we can leave it here. I'd refuse to debate you if we moved this to R'yleh, since I'd know the only reason it was there is so you can call me names and accuse me of wanting children dead.

Currently you are still "the great leader". Nobody is going to moderate you, and you have moderator powers as well.

I'm not "the great leader". Look around; we have a large staff team, most of whom do not share my views, and who are happy to reprimand me if they think I've broken the rules. I have moderator powers, yet I have not used them. Why not? Because I believe in freedom of speech, and I'm not going to sink to the level of abusing my authority just because someone insults me. I'll leave that decision up to the staff who aren't involved.

Me and bozo are merely members who take a great risk pissing you off by disagreeing with you.

You aren't taking a risk if you abide by the rules. I disagree with most people on this site about various issues, but we manage to hold a certain respect for each other. If you break the rules, you risk being punished, but then, there is no reason to break the rules in the first place. If you can't write a post without resorting to an insult, or some baseless accusation, then you shouldn't be posting in the first place.

If there was some way you could guarentee that no action would be taken against me and bozo, and anyone else involved in this conversation... then I would gladly take this discussion to the level it deserves.

There will be no action taken against anyone who doesn't break the rules. It's that simple.