UK STRIKE DAY 30TH NOVEMBER

[reverendjeremiah]

You can twist my words all you like. I get insulted by things you've actually said and meant, not things I've twisted or turned into something you never intended to say.

Like you are innocent..

That's bozo for you. He misplaced his sense of humour decades ago.

..and he had every right to get pissed at you for that.

You said, quite matter of factly, that I "advocate the death and destitution of many millions of families and children". I didn't twist your words; that is a direct quote. That is what I got offended by, and what I think went over the line. bozo did the same every time he addressed me as an "arsehole" rather than use my username or my actual name.

Because your history shows that you want the govt to do and not do exactly what you would do and not do. Here is your history:

The solution is to get rid of the public sector (as much as possible), and move all the jobs to the private sector, where companies actually know how to run themselves.

..in fact many pages has you saying "I would do this to the govt if I could, or I would do that"..
then bozo asked

"So, you don't think a retirement pension is a good idea? Do enlighten us as to how you are going to live your life and prepare for old age without one."

to which you replied:

Savings. Instead of putting money away into a pension which you cannot touch until you reach retirement age (whenever that will be, it changes as the government realises they can't afford to pay us our pensions), you put money into a savings account. The big difference is, you have complete control over your savings; if you suddenly need to dip into them for an emergency, you can.

You were clearly saying "you" and not "I"
This after all of those posts of you saying what you would and would not do with the govt along with this automatically gave me the impression, through your posting history, that you would remove all pensions. Then a few more pages of you bringing up a second option of investments, which again, following your posting history on this thread, it seemed very much like you were advocating the removal of pensions and replacing them with personal savings and investments. Bozo obviously caught a feel to this thread history of yours and started right on you. Then you insulted him.
then I come in with this post (http://atheistforums.org/thread-9655-pos...#pid209795 ) clearly with your posting history in mind about this thread. then I posted this one (http://atheistforums.org/thread-9655-pos...#pid209799) .
According to your POST HISTORY on this thread, you clearly made it look as though you were advocating the removal of pensions, wether that was your intention or not, and many other posters were posting along with that assumption of you as well.
For clarity - In America, the right wing want to removal all pension plans and replace them with savings and investment plans. They dont want to guarentee your money. They want to play roulette on the stock market with it, keep their profits, and privatise their losses. this will cause great amounts of poverty. Where there is poverty there is death for adults and children. If this is done on a mass scale then MILLIONS of people will die all so the ruch can play roulette with our money. - Clarity given.
It was then, and ONLY then, that you posted this after what I posted

Let me make myself clear; I in no way suggested that everyone should do this, or be forced to do it. I'm commenting on my personal choice, nothing more. So please retract your statement that I'm advocating the "death and destitution" of children. Not only is it wrong, it's downright insulting, and a savage reminder of a time not so long ago when you compared myself and theVOID to nazis. I thought that was all behind us now, or should I have been less forgiving?

Really? It sure looked like you were advocating it to me, seeing as you were going through so many lists of what you would force the govt to do and not do before you brought it up. Not to mention you were saying "you", and not "I" in the original post. Why is it that the entirety of this thread was about what you would make the govt do and not do, but then only after I point out the catastrophy of supporting such a decision of privatising funds such as those that suddenly it was "in no way suggested that everyone should do this, or be forced to do it. I'm commenting on my personal choice, nothing more" - which was a complete 180 degree turn from your theme of "I'd also reduce the excessive salaries of those working in government, put more power in the hands of local councils, make the House of Lords electable, and introduce a policy whereby for every law enacted, two archaic laws are repealed. "

As for the 100% thinking thing; our discussions came down to different types of work; those that involved physical skill, and those that involve mental skill. Now, one can argue that any job involving physical skill also requires mental skill, but it is meaningless if we are trying to compare jobs. You said my job required "no physical difficulty"; well, if you're going to imply that your job requires thinking about wires, then why can't I do the same and say that typing on my keyboard is a physical activity? Or maybe going down to the server room, and shifting machines around? Both jobs require both sets of skills, but both jobs use one skill more than the other. That was the only point I was making.

Look who's arguing semantics now.

If you think that's playing to the crowd, so be it. I clearly can't change your mind or get you to apologise.

I may apologize, depending on how you answer your thread history to me. So far I dont know what to think about your posts on this thread. And yes you can change my mind. You and Void helped to drive me from the Democrat party and more towards the libertarian side of politics...although it isnt YOUR type of Libertarian.