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Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II
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RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II
(November 29, 2011 at 1:04 pm)Rayaan Wrote:
(November 29, 2011 at 12:26 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: The problem with religious people is this: they assume people will act in immoral ways if not subjected to their particular set of laws because they themselves believe they would act in exactly that manner.

Nah, I don't assume that.

I know that an atheist can have good morals in many greater degrees than a believer of religion and that the vice versa is also true.

Is your view however consistent with Quran. God has promised to be with and paradise for the "good people" (muhsineen). He loves the "good people". Right? But then he states those whom don't believe in Ayatallah (signs of God/guidance of God/revelation of God) will have painful punishment. He also promises disbelievers hell and states he hates them (see Suratal Fatir). The Quran also says "whom is more unjust then whom denies the truth when it comes to him" and other places "whom is more unjust then whom denies Ayatallah..."...and the most repeated thing in Quran is God promising hell for the disbelievers. If disbelievers can be good, then this would be injustice, because God would be punishing good people. Also it would be a contradiction because God says he doesn't love disbelievers but rather hates them in Quran, at the same time stating he loves the doers of good.

On the other hand, believers are promised paradise while unjust (thalimoon) are promised hell. There is verses that talk about believers in paradise without even the clause of them having done some good deeds and I think everyone has done some good deeds, so it seems rather superfluous to state that.

At the end Islamically, you have believers are moral and good people, while disbelievers are unmoral, unjust, and evil people.

This is the position of Quran and even states that they are reduced to the lowest state, and are hence lower then animals.

So I think if you really believe atheists can be good people as can other non-muslims whom believe in their own religions and disbelieve in Islam...then I would suggest re-thinking if Islam is really the right religion for you.

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Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by TheReal - November 29, 2011 at 10:16 am
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by thesummerqueen - November 29, 2011 at 10:18 am
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by TheReal - November 29, 2011 at 10:18 am
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by TheReal - November 29, 2011 at 10:20 am
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by DeistPaladin - November 29, 2011 at 10:37 am
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by thesummerqueen - November 29, 2011 at 10:20 am
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by thesummerqueen - November 29, 2011 at 10:25 am
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by Rayaan - November 29, 2011 at 10:41 am
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by Ace Otana - November 29, 2011 at 10:54 am
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by thesummerqueen - November 29, 2011 at 11:12 am
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by Ace Otana - November 29, 2011 at 11:24 am
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by Heather - November 29, 2011 at 11:31 am
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by Ace Otana - November 29, 2011 at 11:42 am
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by 5thHorseman - November 29, 2011 at 11:32 am
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by thesummerqueen - November 29, 2011 at 11:33 am
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by thesummerqueen - November 29, 2011 at 11:47 am
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by thesummerqueen - November 29, 2011 at 12:26 pm
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by Rayaan - November 29, 2011 at 1:04 pm
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by MysticKnight - November 29, 2011 at 8:50 pm
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by Ace Otana - November 29, 2011 at 1:54 pm
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by Rayaan - November 29, 2011 at 1:11 pm
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by DeistPaladin - November 29, 2011 at 8:27 pm
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by Epimethean - November 30, 2011 at 2:20 am
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by DeistPaladin - November 30, 2011 at 9:27 am
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by Rayaan - November 30, 2011 at 2:50 am
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by MysticKnight - November 30, 2011 at 3:17 pm
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by Heather - November 30, 2011 at 9:16 am
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by thesummerqueen - November 30, 2011 at 10:13 am
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by Welsh cake - November 30, 2011 at 12:00 pm
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by LastPoet - November 30, 2011 at 1:25 pm
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by Rayaan - November 30, 2011 at 3:46 pm
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by MysticKnight - November 30, 2011 at 3:56 pm
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by Rayaan - December 1, 2011 at 1:05 am
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by ElDinero - December 1, 2011 at 3:08 am
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by Rayaan - December 1, 2011 at 4:11 am
RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II - by ElDinero - December 1, 2011 at 4:22 am

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