(November 30, 2011 at 7:30 am)tackattack Wrote: In response tothe sedcond video; it's not true that Jesus nullifies the punishment for our sins or the fact that we did sin, he advocates that the consequences or price of our life of sinful actions are already paid. Jesus was that propitiation, given by God, not the nullification. Punishing someone for a crime they didn't commit is obviously unjust. Sacrificing one for the many is just. It is further more touching and sacrificial when he did it knowingly and intentionally, but continued till the end with dignity instead of bitterness. What parent on here wouldn't step in front of a bullet or a car to save their kid? How is that immoral?
To your ezekiel verse the prohpet speaks the entire chapter of temporal rewardsand punishments not of eternal so I don't see where it's relevant to this discussion, ATT. It does easily show personal accountability though , so I'm not sure why you included it, as it's in opposition to the opinion of the first video and your view thusfar. Nor do I see the correlation to your Psalms verse that talks about rich people not being able to redeem/save any but yourself.
I agree that killing one to save the many is justifiable.
In this case, Jesus/God was saving the many from a danger that he himself put in place.
God threw the grenade and then laid his son over it.
That is insane and unjust.
You can call it a suicide or sacrifice all you want to but what it was, was a self-aggrandizing act that he did to satisfy conditions that he himself set up.
As to Ezekiel, you might note that he destroys the concept of original sin.
Regards
DL
