RE: Why Atheism/Secular Humanism... Part II
November 30, 2011 at 12:00 pm
(This post was last modified: November 30, 2011 at 12:03 pm by Welsh cake.)
(November 30, 2011 at 2:50 am)Rayaan Wrote: In several verses in the Quran, it says that the good deeds of disbelievers are wiped away because they do not believe in GodIrrelevant. We do good deeds because they are good, not because some deity told us to.
Quote:and hence there is no reward for their deeds.We do good things because they are good, not because some deity stores up treasures and promises riches after death. If I help you Rayaan I expect no reward. Death is my end regardless of how I lived my life, BUT I know I'm accountable to at least seven billion other people while I'm alive. I'm not expecting any praise, gratitude or immediate payment. I'm propagating a mean that if we're going to live together in a cooperative society it benefits all of us if we live together as harmoniously as possible.
Quote:Therefore, atheists are not considered as muhsineen according to the Quranic verses because everyone's goodness is judged from a spiritual perspective.Don't care, I don't judge people by those asinine standards, and what does "spiritual" mean anyway?
Quote:Faith is primary and good actions are secondary. So, if faith is not present in the first place, then all the good deeds will be nullified.So if I save you from a burning building without faith it wasn't a good deed. Are you fucking serious? ^^ You can't be. I bet you typed that statement with a massive grin on your face.

Quote:I do believe that atheists can be good at heart, by their actions and morality, but just not spiritual-wise.Then that's all that really matters, since spirituality is a meaningless word.