UK STRIKE DAY 30TH NOVEMBER

[Tiberius]

Let's be clear about the racism issue. Suspicion is not the same as accusation. I would need more evidence than is available to accuse you.
I don't have that, what I do have are my suspicions.
This is no " excuse ". I need no excuse to point out the difference to you, which, typically, you refuse to accept.

Do you realise how that comes across to people? Call it "suspicion", call it "accusation"; it sounds the same to the person you are aiming it at. To be even "suspected" of being a racist is something that makes me feel sick; it is a horrible thing to say about someone. Racism is one of the most disgusting ideas in existence, and if affects millions every day. I obviously can't stop you thinking it; but there is no need to voice a suspicion, especially in this kind of debate.

I failed to grasp that a post was meant to be funny...I did however ask if it was a wind up, which it proved to be. You saw it as an opportunity to snipe at me for a lack of a sense of humour and possibly an attack of an ageist nature. Humour has its place but can easily be misunderstood.

So now you "suspect" me of being ageist? Jebus. The "attack" was a jibe; nothing offensive was meant by it. However, if you'll have it:

I sincerely apologise for suggesting that you had misplaced your sense of humour decades ago. I can understand that you had simply misunderstood a joke on what is an important issue to you, which you take very seriously.

We are indeed free to exchange insults. You, unfortunately, cry foul at every opportunity when they come your way.
I don't sense any apology from you, merely rebuttals of my examples of your attacks on me, so, sorry, no apology from this quarter.

I cry foul when I feel I've been mistreated in a debate. You could do the same, and demand an apology from me. Instead, you respond by escalating the conflict. There is no need for insults of this kind in a debate, so again, if you'll have it:

I sincerely apologise for suggesting that you were a borderline fascist who doesn't support freedom of speech. I was of course mistaken, and in the heat of the moment made an accusation which I later regretted and retracted.

Ok, now I think I've apologised for the things I've said that were uncalled for. Will you now reciprocate so we can put this behind us?

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dont hold your breath. Dont expect him to make anything close to an apology. This is about as far as you will get with him:

although I admit, calling you a borderline-fascist was probably a step over the line, and I retract it

A retraction is not an apology. But surely Adrian will spend 7 pages arguing semantics that a retraction is an apology in the middle of a sea of text of him playing the victim.

Indeed, a retraction is not an apology. I made my two apologies above.

Even after I posted DAMN GOOD evidence to back up my original argument with him, I decided to just back down, be the good person, apologize and let it be.

I felt rather good about doing it, that is, until I read this from Adrian in response to it.

Now since reverendjeremiah has been gracious enough to accept that the blame for our "spat" doesn't wholly lie with myself, I'm not going to respond to everything he said in his last post, but I thought these specific parts required some clarification.

So now some of the blame is on me? I was just letting it go. I posted the evidence justifying my responses but decided to let it go..hey, I might be wrong...

I'm confused; in the above quote, you said that you "decided to just back down, be the good person, apologize and let it be", and yet you oppose me stating that some of the blame was on you? If you apologised, then surely some of the blame was on you. Else, what was the reason for the apology?

In addition, you even stated a reason for apologising:

It was obviously a mistake on my behalf of misinterpretting your posts.

If that isn't an admission that some of the blame was on you (for misinterpreting my posts), then what is it? Is your apology still valid, or would you like to retract it?

Look at how he replied to my apology. And then right after that, he starts pecking through my post of his history all the while playing semantics and the victim to completely redefine the meaning of his words.

I replied by saying you were gracious to admit some of the blame. I don't see anything wrong with that; I think you were gracious to make such a statement. Then again, if the above is to be believed, you didn't mean any of it, so now I'm not sure what to think.

As for redefining the meaning of my words, I think you'll find that I actually said I was clarifying them. I felt this was in order, since in your apology you stated that you misinterpreting some of my posts. My clarification was for your benefit (in order to see my true meaning), and for any other people who were reading.