RE: The hijab (etc) is immodest
September 17, 2022 at 11:19 am
(This post was last modified: September 17, 2022 at 11:20 am by Leonardo17.)
(January 21, 2020 at 2:09 am)Belacqua Wrote:(December 10, 2019 at 9:56 am)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: At least in western cultures. When standard dress is jeans and a tee shirt, what you’re actually doing is drawing more attention to yourself. Most people will let their eyes slide right past a woman in jeans, a tee shirt and a ponytail. Besides that is it not an insult to your own god to claim that he has made your own natural body inappropriate?
Well, different places have different ideas about showing the body.
In the US a man can drive without a shirt or walk down the street on a hot day, but wouldn't be served in a sit-down restaurant. If that seems reasonable to you, then you agree that society can impose norms on nudity.
I remember a case in the news about the south of France a while back. The beaches are topless and everybody's OK with that, but some women near the beach would go topless into the post office or the bank. People complained. It made the news because the mayor of the town made an impolitic (and typically male) answer -- he said it was OK with him if the woman was cute.
Do you think your local library would be reasonable to ban nudity? I think they would. This means that I agree with societal rules about covering the body, not complete freedom for individuals. My rules happen to differ from those in some other countries. None of this is particularly logical. Why cover breasts and not elbows? The crotch and not the hair?
- You are talking about issues that have to be debated. Another debate in France is on wetter the bikini-like hijab must be allowed in beaches or not. In some beaches it is forbidden. In Germany, on the contrary, this dress called Hashmi (or something) is being promoted in public swimming pools for hygienic reasons. So who is right?
All I am saying is that the debate must be held.
But this issue is mainly a cultural issue. Not a philosophical one. Women (and their entire family and in some case, their entire society) want to keep the veil because at some point in history (for whatever logical or illogical reason) this has become a general norm for society. And now they are resisting the change toward a more secular and modern society through their attachment to that object. This is the core of the issue. Indeed it is very similar to the gun-control issue or the debate on the right to abortion in the U.S.A.:
- He / She doesn’t want it
- Why?
“God says no” or “It is in the constitution”
(Are you out of your mind?) J)