RE: New religion
December 4, 2011 at 1:01 am
(This post was last modified: December 4, 2011 at 1:24 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Quote:The argument was about one person accepting this and the other that which makes it subjective (“taking place within the mind and modified by individual bias; "a subjective judgment").
"I don't like where this is headed, so I'm going to do the same as any other apologist and attempt to steer the conversation away from anything which might not be on my list of prepared points that I thought were unassailable"
Quote:No problem. You just have not provided a base against which to judge (other than own preference). If you do have such a basis, I would dearly like to hear what it is and why?
Actually I did, and again, it's called citizenship and law. Neither have anything to do with my own preference. I didn't write the laws, I don't establish peoples citizenship.
Quote:Your argument to substantiate your claim that God does not exist? I believe the Bible to be the Word of God and thus I accept what He says as truth. You accept other matters as truth, such as there is no God
I accept the conclusions that verifiable evidence leads us to. Your favorite myth has been annihilated by this evidence in every conceivable way. It is not history, and the events attributed to god did not occur. Fairy tales. End of. You disagree? Evidence? Your god, your cross to bear. Stop trying to lay your burden on others and do your own work.
Quote:So good is good because you say so? Evil is evil because you say so? That is the standard? I am sure that you will find many people disagreeing with you on what is good and what is evil. It is generally accepted that Hitler was not what we will call “good”, with war crimes that cry out. Yet there were (and maybe still is) people that regard him as a hero (Palestinian Radio as an example). Thus you see the problem with subjectivity?
Yes, you are right, we often make mistakes and we all accept that “to err is human”. No doubt about that.
No, good is good because we say so, which is exactly how it was decided by the authors of your myth as well. But hell, maybe you're the guy who can provide demonstrable evidence for objective morality. Maybe you'll finally answer that "what is good" question for the entirety of humanity. Based upon the level of discourse thusfar I doubt it.
Quote: It will be great if you could highlight some of the “garbage” so we may critically examine it. Of course the cross sounds stupid to others. It was never claimed to be a real attraction to the world.
1Co 1:18 For the Word of the cross is foolishness to those being lost, but to us being saved, it is the power of God.
1Co 1:22 And since Jews ask for a sign, and Greeks seek wisdom,
1Co 1:23 we, on the other hand, preach Christ crucified (truly an offense to Jews, and foolishness to Greeks),
Sure, open your bible, start with the first word. Now, read it to the last word, and close your bible. Everything you've just read is garbage. Cover to cover. Don't toss a 5 gallon jug of alphabet soup at me and then demand that I point out just which "t" isn't crossed. If you think you can salvage any part of the narrative be my guest and we'll start there. If the only way you can do this is by ignoring large tracts of the narrative then don't waste my time. I'll tell you now exactly how it will end. You're a cherry picker.
Quote:At the risk of proving your point of sounding “sanctimonious”, I do not for one small moment wish to send you to hell. That is the honest to goodness truth. I am no “goody-goody” person with a continuous smile of pure bliss on his face but a person that gets angry at guys obstructing the traffic at intersections (may favorite gripe) and can sulk for days (ask my wife). But I would rather wish that God will look upon you with grace and mercy and make him known to you through the work of the Holy Spirit.
Whether you accept Jesus’ sacrifice is up you.
I understand that you would rather wish, that's why christianity appeals to you in the first place. Perhaps god has looked upon me in mercy, and that's why he created me to be an atheist? Never forget that any god (if he did exist) might just be completely embarrassed by your beliefs. You're right, the last bit is up to me, and I've decided. I've decided not to accept this offering even if it were true because it's sick, and I don't want to be a part of it. I would not wish to be in the presence of a deity who would do this, and I certainly would not want to spend an eternity surrounded by people who felt that it was okay to do so. Maybe that's the test eh? Perhaps those who wont be complacent in scapegoating are the kind of people that god wishes to surround himself with. My imaginary god is bigger and less vile than your own, not exactly a good sign for your concept of what an omni-(insert everything here) god would be or might desire.
If you're looking for a truce with atheism then I have some conditions, should be easy to meet. If you keep your mouth shut I'll keep my mouth shut.
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