RE: LGBTQ Rights in Countries with a Muslim Magority
November 4, 2022 at 3:31 pm
(This post was last modified: November 4, 2022 at 3:32 pm by Leonardo17.)
(November 3, 2022 at 1:57 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You were told that the wrath of god would be upon you if you did a thing, they were told that the wrath of god would be upon them if they didn't.
There's no rule or law that spiritual people can't leak hate speech all over the place, and, in point of fact in mere reality, the spiritual demographic is well represented in hate speech. Might have something to do with hate speech in their holy books. Just maybe.
Again Jagadish Vasudev (or Sadhguru) has a story on this:
“One man believes that God has four arms. The other believes that he has no arms. The first man builds a statue of God with four arms in the city center (because everybody knows that God has four arms). The second one gets angry so he chops those four arms away (because we all know that God doesn’t have arms). So a war of religion begins and people start killing one another because of this simple issue.”
But this is not what I am talking about. There is a great philosopher called Rumi (1207 AD – 1273 AD) who wrote many religious / philosophical verses and in one of these he is saying “I shall love all those who are created for the love of the One who has created them”. (This is very high caliber religious philosophy I am talking about). And one fact is that the gentleman that I have quoted in my previous post loves to make references to prominent Islamic thinkers like Rumi.
So I sent the previous post to demonstrate how easy it is for a populist politician to make quotations while believing and defending the exact opposite of that quotation.
And no. If the question is homosexuality, well, it is true that the approach of most religions on this issue is rather critical. But please remember that we are living in an age in which even the pope isn’t completely opposed to same-sex unions (https://www.euronews.com/2021/09/16/same...pe-francis).
And as of İslam, it is true that the holy book criticizes these issues (because of the story of Sodom and Gomora), but it does not include any punishment for homosexual acts.
This last one is an ongoing debate. And I am not a qualified theologian. But the way I understand it, there is criticism on the issue, but no complete condemnation or damnation like treatment associated with it.
Anyway: Even if I was wrong, a head of state does not make this type of hate speech. His duty must be to ensure the protection of the rights of minorities and the maintenance of the rule of law.
And again: I don’t think hate speech can have a place in any religion. Remember the words of Pope Francis who said that “A man who erects wall between different people cannot be a Christian” (while referring to Donald Trump and his wall on the Mexican Border). I totally agree with that.
See: There is a universal element in true faith. If you have reached the level one or level zero of spirituality, you must have a certain understanding (as a person on a spiritual path) about the existence of a certain universal being that his omnipresent inside every human being. (That’s how I can describe it at best). So I can tell you, with great certainty, that a man or woman who does not perceive or acknowledge the existence of this universal element inside every human being is neither a spiritual person nor a person happens to be on a spiritual path.
Because if we compare this to the alphabet, this is letter A. Someone who makes hate speeches is illiterate. He can’t even say “I only know the first four letters of the alphabet”. No. That’s an illiterate person who has nothing spiritual in him / her other than (perhaps) some theoretical / borrowed and often false information on what he / she calls “religion” or “faith”.


