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Should muslims obey infidel leaders in non islamic countries?
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Should muslims obey infidel leaders in non islamic countries?
Just read some hadiths on it. But not sure if this is in context to islamic ummah leaders, or just any leader in general. Let me know your views

It was narrated from Abu Hurairah that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:
“Whoever obeys me, obeys Allah, And whoever disobeys me, disobeys Allah. Whoever obeys the ruler, obeys me, and whoever disobeys the ruler, disobeys me.”
Grade    : Sahih (Darussalam)
Vol. 4, Book 24, Hadith 2859

It was narrated from Ibn ‘Umar that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:
“The Muslim is obliged to obey (the ruler) whether he likes it or not, unless he is commanded to commit an act of disobedience. If he is commanded to commit a sin then he should neither listen nor obey.”
Grade    : Sahih (Darussalam)
Vol. 4, Book 24, Hadith 2864

It was narrated from Anas bin Malik that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:
“Listen and obey, even if the one appointed over you is an Ethiopian slave with a head like a raisin.”
Grade    : Sahih (Darussalam)
Vol. 4, Book 24, Hadith 2860

It was narrated from Umm Husain that she heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say:
“Even if the one appointed over you is a mutilated Ethiopian slave whose nose and ears have been cut off, listen to him and obey, so long as he leads you according to the Book of Allah.”
Grade    : Sahih (Darussalam)
Vol. 4, Book 24, Hadith 2861

It was narrated from Abu Sa’eed Al-Khudri that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) sent ‘Alqamah bin Mujazziz at the head of a detachment, and I was among them. When he reached the battle site, or when he was partway there, a group of the army asked permission to take a different route, and he gave them permission, and appointed ‘Abdullah bin Hudhafah bin Qais As-Sahmi as their leader, and I was one of those who fought alongside with him. When we were partway there, the people lit a fire to warm themselves and cook some food. ‘Abdullah, who was a man who liked to joke, said:
“Do I not have the right that you should listen to me and obey?” They said: “Yes.” He said: “And if I command you to do something, will you not do it?” They said: “Of course.” He said: “Then I command you to jump into this fire.” Some people got up and got ready to jump, and when he saw that they were about to jump, he said: “Restrain yourselves, for I was joking with you.” When we came to Al-Madinah, they mentioned that to the Prophet (ﷺ), and the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: “Whoever among you commands you to do something that involves disobedience to Allah, do not obey him.”
Grade    : Hasan (Darussalam)
Vol. 4, Book 24, Hadith 2863

It was narrated from ‘Abdullah bin Mas’ud that the Prophet (ﷺ) said:
“Among those in charge of you, after I am gone, will be men who extinguish the Sunnah and follow innovation. They will delay the prayer from its proper time.” I said: “O Messenger of Allah, if I live to see them, what should I do?” He said: “You ask me, O Ibn ‘Abd, what you should do? There is no obedience to one who disobeys Allah.”
Grade    : Hasan (Darussalam)
Vol. 4, Book 24, Hadith 2865


It was narrated that ‘Ubadah bin Samit said:
“We gave our pledge to the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), pledging to listen and obey in times of hardship and times of ease, willingly or reluctantly, and when others are shown preference over us, and that we would not dispute the order of those in charge, that we would speak the truth wherever we are, and that we would not fear the blame of anyone when acting or speaking for the sake of Allah.”
Grade    : Sahih (Darussalam)
Vol. 4, Book 24, Hadith 2866

It was narrated that ‘Attab, the freed slave of Hurmuz, said:
“I heard Anas bin Malik say: ‘We gave our pledge to the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) on the basis that we would listen and obey. He (ﷺ) said: “As much as you can.”
Grade    : Hasan (Darussalam)
Vol. 4, Book 24, Hadith 2868



Examples of typical leaders in present time

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#2
RE: Should muslims obey infidel leaders in non islamic countries?
You don't say.
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#3
RE: Should muslims obey infidel leaders in non islamic countries?
Why do they all come in here and quote scripture at as?
a. We don't believe in it.
b. That's no way to start a discussion in any case.
“Eternity is a terrible thought. I mean, where's it going to end?” 
― Tom StoppardRosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead
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#4
RE: Should muslims obey infidel leaders in non islamic countries?
Didn't you know?

According to theists, scripture is authority.
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#5
RE: Should muslims obey infidel leaders in non islamic countries?
You forgot North Korea's leader.
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#6
RE: Should muslims obey infidel leaders in non islamic countries?
You didn't need to show the pictures of very famous people, it looks like you're trying too hard to make us believe that you're interested in politics and anti-western sock.

It looks like you're trying too hard to copy-cat somebody in this forum,
Who are you, sock?

In the last raid we knew you're a Shiite. But who are you, and are you that desperate to create fake accounts ?
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#7
RE: Should muslims obey infidel leaders in non islamic countries?
Hadiths.... those collections of writings claiming to be things that the prophet said....
The prophet... a man claiming to have spoken with an angel...
The angel... a thing claiming to be in direct contact with god...

God, who can't be arsed to engage in direct contact with the whole of mankind, because... reasons, and then expect people to follow the word of a man who remembered another man saying something, as he was inspired by another "man" (angel) who was speaking on behalf of that god.

When I was a kid, I played enough of the broken telephone game to know how broken that system is, even if it is true.
As an adult, I understand how man-made, imagination-riddled, or just pure BS the whole thing is.

Tell muslims that they should look at their beliefs a bit more critically than "not at all".
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