RE: The atheist perspective
December 4, 2011 at 6:46 pm
(This post was last modified: December 4, 2011 at 6:51 pm by Sitnuc.)
(December 4, 2011 at 5:23 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote:(December 4, 2011 at 5:11 pm)Sitnuc Wrote: I am agnostic and can understand that, but unless another’s views were imposed on me and I was retaliating to it. I can’t see any merit in being an atheist. Why would I rebel against something which has no impact on me?
Quote:Atheism isn't a rebellion. Either you believe in god(s) or you don't. It's a descriptor. Theists have made it into a rebellion because those theists feel threatened by those who don't believe the same thing they do, and that can include other god belief. (And before Rayaan swoops in with his Best Muslim Ever smile, I mean the theists that DO have a problem, not the ones that don't, who obviously don't impose their crap on other people)
Atheism as a passive description is not a rebellion, some atheists are rebellious towards anyone who fails to agree with their perspective, devoutly so. Would you think the new atheist movement are guided by rebelliousness or just marking for book sales? I think a bit of both. Either way it comes across as angst ridden teens trying to get rid of their over-protective parents.
Quote:Atheism isn't about merit. You're starting to make me think you're a theist in disguise with that statement.
You’re welcome to think what you want, if you want to peg me for a liar I will do the same to you and place you exactly where I think you are, not where you claim to be.
That’s such a typical response. Fit in here, you must.
Quote:Theism does impact me because the rules and taboos people create in the name of religion work their way into society and sometimes into law. I live in the Bible Belt where I'm confronted with religion every day - I'm not rebelling against them, I just want to be left alone. I don't want my tax money paying for it. I don't want to be told I'm immoral because I don't pray to a being no one's given me evidence for. How the hell is atheism a rebellion again?If you can remove elements of how religion has shaped society and impacted how your tax has been spent good luck to you.
(December 4, 2011 at 5:11 pm)Sitnuc Wrote: I know atheists find it annoying. I assure I’m not trying to be annoying, I’ve just never heard an answer which I find viable to not consider it a belief. Do you believe that you don’t believe there is a god, despite not knowing everything?
Quote:I don't think I'm understanding what you're asking. I know I don't believe there is a god. My mind could be changed, with evidence. I'm not making a commitment to anything.
Knowing what you believe holds no weight at all. If you know that there is no god, then you know it. If you disbelieve in something I’m hoping you have a rationale for it. If so, what is it? A lack of evidence. How did you come to the conclusion of deciding what evidence is required, and whether this evidence is obtainable?
(December 4, 2011 at 5:11 pm)Sitnuc Wrote: Interesting, many atheists claim their rationalism compels them to be an atheist.Quote:I'm sure if you asked those people they'd also describe themselves as rationalists or skeptics too.Yes I have, which is why I said it. I’m sure if you read what I wrote you wouldn’t have to assume anything.
(December 4, 2011 at 5:19 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: One of life's lessons: Never use words you cannot pronounce or understand lest you want ridicule and humiliation from your peers.
Hehe. We need an Inigo smiley that holds a sign that says "I do not think that word means what you think it means."
(December 4, 2011 at 6:24 pm)Welsh cake Wrote:If you want me to be.(December 4, 2011 at 6:16 pm)Sitnuc Wrote: I understand what “Atheism” means so try not to conflate your annoyance with other’s describing your view as a belief to what the word actually means. You can claim your view is not a belief and is factual incorrect....
You are starting to give me bad vibes... I dealt with a similar arsehole earlier who didn't have a fucking clue what atheism meant
Is that you Lucent?
I think you're a arsehole as well. Got any other words of wisdom about internet communication? or any other analogies, maybe you could try and use the truth of evolution as proof of what you say?
You try to come across as some sort of resident King Solomon, but you have fuck all to say.