(December 14, 2022 at 4:49 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote:Well, to be clear I had originally said that in regard to the Abrahamic gods but I took it out for brevity. I am not required to refute each and every notion of god that exists out there. No one has an obligation to prove that the non-existent doesn't exist. But my refutation applies to all gods that are said to be "supernatural" which every notion of gods I've heard about includes, whether it be a supernatural realm that it exists in or supernatural powers that defy nature. The notion of the supernatural is invalid and self-contradictory. A realm that by its nature transcends nature is incoherent. It makes use of the axiom of identity while at the same time denying the axiom of identity. It's a simple matter to refute. No one needs to remain agnostic towards it forever.(December 14, 2022 at 4:18 pm)Objectivist Wrote: I'm not agnostic. I'm a strong atheist. The notion of God violates the axiom of existence. The notion of God violates the axiom of consciousness. The notion of god violates the axiom of identity. The notion of God violates the primacy of existence. The notion of God violates the law of causality. The notion of God commits the fallacy of pure self-reference. The notion of God commits the fallacy of the stolen concept. The notion of God is a floating abstraction. The concept of God is invalid as it can't be reduced to sense data. The claim that God exists is self-contradictory, making use of the primacy of existence in making the claim while denying the primacy of existence in the content of the claim. I can go on with much more.
While most atheists are agnostic, some are not and I'm one. I don't even think it's debatable. Debate presupposes the primacy of existence, the notion of gods assumes the primacy of consciousness. To even debate it is to make use of stolen concepts.
There are god-concepts that do not require the primacy of consciousness, but I agree that most do.
Pantheism and Christian process-theology posit that God evolves, and that we are part of the evolution of God. It makes no sense to me either, but at least it isn't an primal magician.
I have more ways of refuting it such as the fact that the notion of God is indistinguishable from something that is merely imaginary. If you think about it, any notion that is false contradicts reality at every turn. It's a target rich environment.
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"The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody has decided not to see."