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Why atheism is a belief.
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RE: Why atheism is a belief.
Belief:
1.An acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.
2.Something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction.

I don't see 'evidence' anywhere in that definition. My lack of belief isn't a lack of belief because there isn't enough evidence to support me not believing. My lack of belief is a lack of belief because I don't freakin' believe. What is so hard about this concept? I don't accept the statement 'God is real' or that God exists. I don't accept it as true or real, I don't hold it as an opinion or conviction. I don't BELIEVE it.

You can say lots of things: you can say I believe I don't believe in God. You can say I believe there is insufficient evidence to accept the proposition that God exists. You can say that if I believe God doesn't exist, that's a belief. What you can't say, except out of a desire to be perverse, is that me not believing in God is a belief. Not believing is not belief. Nonbelief is not belief. Disbelief is not belief. It's so sad that any of that should have to be repeated or rephrased to get through. Even sadder that I don't have any expectation that it will.


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Why atheism is a belief. - by JoopWoop - December 6, 2011 at 5:23 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by 5thHorseman - December 6, 2011 at 5:32 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Rayaan - December 6, 2011 at 5:34 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by JoopWoop - December 6, 2011 at 8:24 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Anomalocaris - December 6, 2011 at 5:35 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Ace Otana - December 6, 2011 at 5:38 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Cyberman - December 6, 2011 at 5:54 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Mister Agenda - December 6, 2011 at 6:03 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by TheDarkestOfAngels - December 6, 2011 at 6:07 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by JoopWoop - December 6, 2011 at 10:16 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Jackalope - December 6, 2011 at 6:11 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by TheDarkestOfAngels - December 6, 2011 at 6:14 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Mister Agenda - December 6, 2011 at 6:14 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Erinome - December 6, 2011 at 6:36 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by xntubes - December 6, 2011 at 6:53 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Happy UnBeliever - December 6, 2011 at 7:05 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Jackalope - December 6, 2011 at 7:30 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Minimalist - December 6, 2011 at 8:36 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by JoopWoop - December 6, 2011 at 10:26 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by TheDarkestOfAngels - December 6, 2011 at 10:29 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Norfolk And Chance - December 6, 2011 at 8:44 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by JoopWoop - December 6, 2011 at 10:33 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by AthiestAtheist - December 6, 2011 at 10:42 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by JoopWoop - December 6, 2011 at 10:45 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by AthiestAtheist - December 6, 2011 at 11:03 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by TheDarkestOfAngels - December 6, 2011 at 10:46 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by JoopWoop - December 6, 2011 at 11:18 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by AthiestAtheist - December 6, 2011 at 11:30 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by JoopWoop - December 6, 2011 at 11:38 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by TheDarkestOfAngels - December 7, 2011 at 12:00 am
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by kevinbenko - December 6, 2011 at 9:12 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Minimalist - December 6, 2011 at 9:25 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Norfolk And Chance - December 6, 2011 at 9:34 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Minimalist - December 6, 2011 at 10:23 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by JoopWoop - December 6, 2011 at 10:29 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Cyberman - December 6, 2011 at 10:29 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by AthiestAtheist - December 6, 2011 at 10:31 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Cyberman - December 6, 2011 at 10:50 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Epimethean - December 6, 2011 at 11:40 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by AthiestAtheist - December 6, 2011 at 11:53 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Mister Agenda - December 7, 2011 at 1:22 am
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Ace Otana - December 7, 2011 at 8:35 am
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Heather - December 7, 2011 at 9:38 am
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by JoopWoop - December 7, 2011 at 3:31 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Ace Otana - December 7, 2011 at 3:37 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by JoopWoop - December 7, 2011 at 7:10 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by TheDarkestOfAngels - December 7, 2011 at 7:19 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Ace Otana - December 7, 2011 at 7:20 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by TheDarkestOfAngels - December 7, 2011 at 3:52 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by JoopWoop - December 7, 2011 at 8:22 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by TheDarkestOfAngels - December 7, 2011 at 9:08 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by JoopWoop - December 7, 2011 at 9:13 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by TheDarkestOfAngels - December 7, 2011 at 9:32 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by JoopWoop - December 7, 2011 at 9:53 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by TheDarkestOfAngels - December 7, 2011 at 10:33 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Napoléon - December 7, 2011 at 9:49 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Mister Agenda - December 7, 2011 at 3:56 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Napoléon - December 7, 2011 at 4:02 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by AthiestAtheist - December 7, 2011 at 4:39 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Heather - December 7, 2011 at 3:56 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by 5thHorseman - December 7, 2011 at 3:59 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by 5thHorseman - December 7, 2011 at 7:12 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Epimethean - December 7, 2011 at 9:49 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Epimethean - December 7, 2011 at 10:18 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by JoopWoop - December 7, 2011 at 10:28 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Epimethean - December 7, 2011 at 10:53 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by AthiestAtheist - December 7, 2011 at 11:51 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Napoléon - December 8, 2011 at 10:56 am
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Heather - December 8, 2011 at 12:57 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Napoléon - December 8, 2011 at 3:21 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Cinjin - December 8, 2011 at 4:14 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Cinjin - December 7, 2011 at 10:47 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by JoopWoop - December 7, 2011 at 11:14 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Cinjin - December 8, 2011 at 3:11 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Epimethean - December 7, 2011 at 11:29 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by TheDarkestOfAngels - December 7, 2011 at 11:38 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by JoopWoop - December 7, 2011 at 11:52 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by TheDarkestOfAngels - December 8, 2011 at 12:01 am
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by JoopWoop - December 8, 2011 at 10:39 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Epimethean - December 8, 2011 at 12:02 am
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by downbeatplumb - December 8, 2011 at 2:51 pm
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RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Erinome - December 8, 2011 at 10:49 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by JoopWoop - December 8, 2011 at 11:00 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by TheDarkestOfAngels - December 8, 2011 at 11:14 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Shell B - December 8, 2011 at 11:24 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Erinome - December 8, 2011 at 11:14 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by JoopWoop - December 8, 2011 at 11:22 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by TheDarkestOfAngels - December 8, 2011 at 11:32 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Mister Agenda - December 9, 2011 at 3:02 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Anomalocaris - December 9, 2011 at 3:09 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by JoopWoop - December 8, 2011 at 11:29 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Shell B - December 8, 2011 at 11:30 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Shell B - December 8, 2011 at 11:37 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by TheDarkestOfAngels - December 8, 2011 at 11:52 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Norfolk And Chance - December 10, 2011 at 2:47 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Shell B - December 8, 2011 at 11:56 pm
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RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Ace Otana - December 12, 2011 at 7:22 am
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RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by downbeatplumb - December 14, 2011 at 5:23 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Napoléon - December 14, 2011 at 5:44 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by goodcake - December 14, 2011 at 6:40 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Napoléon - December 14, 2011 at 8:44 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Norfolk And Chance - December 14, 2011 at 9:11 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by downbeatplumb - December 15, 2011 at 1:30 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by TheDarkestOfAngels - December 16, 2011 at 4:04 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Norfolk And Chance - December 14, 2011 at 6:23 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by goodcake - December 14, 2011 at 9:07 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Mister Agenda - December 15, 2011 at 6:43 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by goodcake - December 17, 2011 at 12:02 am
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Jackalope - December 17, 2011 at 12:07 am
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Galileo - December 12, 2011 at 8:35 am
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Napoléon - December 12, 2011 at 11:16 am
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by houseofcantor - December 15, 2011 at 3:35 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Anomalocaris - December 15, 2011 at 3:58 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by houseofcantor - December 15, 2011 at 4:04 pm
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RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by goodcake - December 15, 2011 at 3:25 pm
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RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Shell B - December 15, 2011 at 4:07 pm
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RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Whateverist - December 17, 2011 at 8:21 am
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Epimethean - December 17, 2011 at 10:15 am
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Mister Agenda - December 19, 2011 at 6:29 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by TheDarkestOfAngels - December 19, 2011 at 10:52 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Minimalist - December 19, 2011 at 6:36 pm
RE: Why atheism is a belief. - by Epimethean - December 20, 2011 at 11:27 am
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