RE: Earth's recent climate spiral.
January 17, 2023 at 10:35 am
(This post was last modified: January 17, 2023 at 10:43 am by The Grand Nudger.)
It's accurate..ish. Our new friend is exaggerating, but there's no real need. About 50% of the problem with emissions comes down to just three countries. The us, china, and india. China and India are lumped in as developing countries, and along with the middle east, africa, latin america, and most of asia....are collectively responsible for about 60-70%.
Truth is, we won't have a solution to the problem unless that solution is applicable to and accessible by those developing nations - as we can't credibly insist that others cannot do what we did to enhance the lives of their citizens - to bring them out of poverty, starvation, and illness....nor could we practically solve the issue by making anyone pay for carbon. That's just rearranging deck chairs on the titanic. The carbon is still being produced.
Helios brings up a crucial point. Impoverishing people doesn't make them cleaner. If it did, it would be hard to understand those emissions, eh? The same is broadly true with any infraction against any law, real or proposed. It's unclear how preventing people from getting or keeping a good job would reduce criminality - and as far as we can tell it doesn't (rather the reverse). Why we would want to apply a punitive model that has already failed us in the miniscule lane of human criminal justice to the herculean task of global repair and international diplomacy is beyond me. Perhaps our new friend could explain, as he sees it, what effect Making Them Pay™ would have on the climate crisis? Where would these funds come from, and where would they go to?
Truth is, we won't have a solution to the problem unless that solution is applicable to and accessible by those developing nations - as we can't credibly insist that others cannot do what we did to enhance the lives of their citizens - to bring them out of poverty, starvation, and illness....nor could we practically solve the issue by making anyone pay for carbon. That's just rearranging deck chairs on the titanic. The carbon is still being produced.
Helios brings up a crucial point. Impoverishing people doesn't make them cleaner. If it did, it would be hard to understand those emissions, eh? The same is broadly true with any infraction against any law, real or proposed. It's unclear how preventing people from getting or keeping a good job would reduce criminality - and as far as we can tell it doesn't (rather the reverse). Why we would want to apply a punitive model that has already failed us in the miniscule lane of human criminal justice to the herculean task of global repair and international diplomacy is beyond me. Perhaps our new friend could explain, as he sees it, what effect Making Them Pay™ would have on the climate crisis? Where would these funds come from, and where would they go to?
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