RE: Why atheism is a belief.
December 7, 2011 at 8:22 pm
(This post was last modified: December 7, 2011 at 8:58 pm by JoopWoop.)
(December 7, 2011 at 3:31 pm)JoopWoop Wrote: So if someone chucks a insult at me and I retort, you seem to think this shows that all I have is to resort to insulting your intelligence?
(December 7, 2011 at 3:52 pm)TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote: So far, given what I've been reading, this appears to be the case.
You've participated in no discussion and have thus far not bothered to actually defend your riduiculous beliefs.
If you cannot read or comprehend that’s not my problem. Once again you just chuck around pointless statements or are you punching your keyboard randomly?
Quote:Santa, Spagetti monster, and such don't prove anything other than that there is as much evidence and reason to believe that they exist as does for your religion. That is to say, it doesn't prove anything and the fact that your religion is established doesn't make it any less ridiculous than those examples.
I have no religion. Try thinking again.
(December 7, 2011 at 3:31 pm)JoopWoop Wrote: None of these ridiculous examples account for any unexplained occurrences and all are known to be products of the imagination. That they form the basis of an atheists belief set only outlines why it has a foundation in bullshit. Is that all you have a teapot and fat guy in a red suit to 'discount' something what you have no idea of? When you realise you have no idea then you see why your perspective only serves to suit your assumptions.
Quote:Your religion accounts for those 'unexplained occurrence' just as well as any other made up explaination.
I have no religion and have outlined no accounts, all wishful thinking on your part.
Quote:What seporates atheists and other rational skeptics from theists is that we understand that and theists do not. They accept made up answers in lieu of no answer.
Great, I don’t care what theists do. I accept the possibility in absence of any evidence for or against a god. You dismiss without having any idea of what a valid alternative could be. Therefore you dismiss something with no idea of what you’re dismissing or what you’re even looking for.
(December 7, 2011 at 3:31 pm)JoopWoop Wrote: If you're going to negate provide some alternatives, otherwise you look like a petulant child yelling no. Much like this child you seem to think you have a valid perspective.
Quote:Atheism isn't an alternative. It's a non-acceptance of theism.
So you have no objections against the concept of god? Or is theism interchangeable with god?
(December 7, 2011 at 3:56 pm)Heather Wrote: Ok, let's give in for a second. (edited to be nice)
Let's call atheism a belief. Ok, YOU WIN with your awesome arguments and have changed my mind.
Now what??? Why does it matter if it's a belief or not? What is your point?
My point is you have much right to claim your view is correct as a theist. The similarities are you both espouse your views with the rigour of a fundamentalist, all it does is divide, it provides no benefit to anyone. Apart from Dawkin’s pocket and perhaps provide some emotional outlet for you.
(December 7, 2011 at 3:56 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:(December 7, 2011 at 3:31 pm)JoopWoop Wrote: So if someone chucks a insult at me and I retort, you seem to think this shows that all I have is to resort to insulting your intelligence? This one-sided perspective seems to correlate to the same rationale applied to your atheism.
I find it amusing that the unicorn, santa and fsm are all so commonly used as an example to negate a god.
None of these ridiculous examples account for any unexplained occurrences and all are known to be products of the imagination. That they form the basis of an atheists belief set only outlines why it has a foundation in bullshit. Is that all you have a teapot and fat guy in a red suit to 'discount' something what you have no idea of? When you realise you have no idea then you see why your perspective only serves to suit your assumptions.
If you're going to negate provide some alternatives, otherwise you look like a petulant child yelling no. Much like this child you seem to think you have a valid perspective.
Nothing accounts for unexplained occurrences, else they'd be explained occurrences.
Is that really your response? Do you like chocolates?
(December 7, 2011 at 3:59 pm)5thHorseman Wrote: 'None of these ridiculous examples account for any unexplained occurrences and all are known to be products of the imagination. That they form the basis of an atheists belief set only outlines why it has a foundation in bullshit.'So your atheism is solely against a Christian God?
No proof of god, Noah's Ark, immaculate conceptioin, water into wine, healing lepers, resurrection.
Quote:That's a real foundation of bullshit and i've only touched the sides.
We deal with facts and scientific theory, you delve into bronze age mythology thought up by mostly illiterate goat herders and a poorly written book that's translated.
I’ve never read or believe the bible, so you missed the boat there sunshine
(December 7, 2011 at 4:02 pm)Napoleon Wrote:(December 7, 2011 at 3:31 pm)JoopWoop Wrote: If you're going to negate provide some alternatives, otherwise you look like a petulant child yelling no. Much like this child you seem to think you have a valid perspective.
The only petulant child here is you. YOU come here, telling us what WE are supposed to believe, and act like you're the font of all fucking knowledge? Well guess what jackass, you have no clue what you're talking about, people have already told you why you are incorrect in asserting that atheists 'believe' yet you carry on.
That an atheist denies that they believe does not lead to me being incorrect, it’s merely you saying “I don’t believe”. Big deal, based on the manner in which you attempt to outline why you don’t believe I’m far less inclined to give many things you say any credibility whatsoever.
Your response is essentially “no you are”.
Quote:There is absolutely no need to provide alternatives for god. Why don't you explain why there should be such a need instead of branding us all something which you have no basis for other than 'you say so'. You sir are talking out of your rectum.
So you have no idea of any possible causes for existence, but for some reason, you’re perfectly justified in dismissing the possibility of a god. Tell me there’s more to your position that this?
The more I look into it, the more retarded and fundamental the atheist position is. When you grow or wise up, you may see why.