RE: Earth's recent climate spiral.
February 17, 2023 at 4:14 pm
(This post was last modified: February 17, 2023 at 4:38 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
That is, as far as I'm concerned and as far as what I mean by the term capitalism, the end all be all. Private ownership for profit. If however, the many capitalisms all reflect local circumstances, then this too would be an explanation of why the term "western capitalism" is meaningless. Or any other cardinal direction or political convention we might care to mention. As there are many different local circumstances within "the west".
I, personally, don't put much stock in the idea that capitalism is harmful to the planet. That's the wheelhouse of people who believe, for whatever reason, that the best way or only way you can make money is by wrecking the place. In truth, there's no profit for the owner in burning their own house down. It may be the case that the owner can burn their house down and shove that -cost- off on someone else...but that's not capitalism, just another scam. Like crypto.
I suspect that what Leo means when he says "western capitalism" is not exclusively western, or actually capitalism. Short sighted profiteering and feudal looting, for example, which we neither invented nor do we hold any patent on - though it's certainly something we're very good at. Speaking of short sighted feudalism, I think it's ludicrous to try and use climate change to cash any personal political checks whatsoever. The climate doesn't give a shit about peoples ancient and foolish gripes with the other tribes. Cultural complaints are as meaningless as cardinal capitalism, in this regard. The idea that consumerism, for example, is harmful to the planet, isn't actually true. Consumption is not the problem -and good luck getting people to change by telling them to accept less. Production is the problem. Mass consumption of sustainable and renewable products is not only a non issue, it's a goddamned solution.....but mouthing the words tickles the sensibilities of people who think their own habits can be meaningfully distinguished from it and held to be superior to it.
Perhaps environmental conservation would be better served by arguing that we all could and should have more... of nicer stuff? Things that make the producer more profit, things that the consumer can have more of. Or, ofc, we can all continue babbling about the great western satan as we burn our own homes down in a desperate bid to get a few of his dollars.
I, personally, don't put much stock in the idea that capitalism is harmful to the planet. That's the wheelhouse of people who believe, for whatever reason, that the best way or only way you can make money is by wrecking the place. In truth, there's no profit for the owner in burning their own house down. It may be the case that the owner can burn their house down and shove that -cost- off on someone else...but that's not capitalism, just another scam. Like crypto.
I suspect that what Leo means when he says "western capitalism" is not exclusively western, or actually capitalism. Short sighted profiteering and feudal looting, for example, which we neither invented nor do we hold any patent on - though it's certainly something we're very good at. Speaking of short sighted feudalism, I think it's ludicrous to try and use climate change to cash any personal political checks whatsoever. The climate doesn't give a shit about peoples ancient and foolish gripes with the other tribes. Cultural complaints are as meaningless as cardinal capitalism, in this regard. The idea that consumerism, for example, is harmful to the planet, isn't actually true. Consumption is not the problem -and good luck getting people to change by telling them to accept less. Production is the problem. Mass consumption of sustainable and renewable products is not only a non issue, it's a goddamned solution.....but mouthing the words tickles the sensibilities of people who think their own habits can be meaningfully distinguished from it and held to be superior to it.
Perhaps environmental conservation would be better served by arguing that we all could and should have more... of nicer stuff? Things that make the producer more profit, things that the consumer can have more of. Or, ofc, we can all continue babbling about the great western satan as we burn our own homes down in a desperate bid to get a few of his dollars.
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