RE: Hoptoad, new target
December 9, 2011 at 5:48 am
(This post was last modified: December 9, 2011 at 6:23 am by Hoptoad.)
(December 3, 2011 at 1:28 am)Rhythm Wrote: Wouldn't matter if the sentence only lasted a day Toad, it's still a sentence, and it's still thought crime. Care to spend a single night in jail for an opinion (even one you never so much as voiced)? Clever attempt to change the subject and steer the conversation away from an objection for which you have no answer. Sadly, it's a common tactic for you and yours. I'm familiar, and so I call massive bullshit.
Sorry about the delay in responding, I did say it will happen, it is the type of life I lead sometimes I get warning but not always.
Sentencing and legislation, free will and the results of action taken.
If I was a man inclined to burglary, which is illegal, and then carried out my inclinations for which I am caught. Then the judge sentences me to punishment. If the judge is not there or any legislation, nothing happens.
I smoke which is legal, it will probably kill me, if it does it will be the result of my actions that I do of my own free will. You can argue that as an addict to nicotine my free will is affected But is still my choice to do, I can quit if I want to enough. If I quit I may live a bit longer but I will still die, as will the burglar as will all of us.
The eternal life is a gift to be given, think of how you live as a job application.
There are only two rules and they are not even rules more a perspective, read it he tells you this, the rest are guide lines. Love God and love your fellow man. If you hold these as your perspective on life, you wont go wrong.
So are atheists condemned to death because they don't believe in God? Hoptoads personal opinion no, if you live your life according to the second part as some atheists do, I think you have a chance. I can just see him on judgement day saying, well do you believe in me now hummm.
Being sentenced for thought crime, may yet happen to me. It has happened to a lot of people on both sides of the philosophical divide and worse. I just hope I have the courage to face it and stand if it comes, I hope it doesn't though.
Not bullshit just a different opinion to yours.
(December 3, 2011 at 5:54 am)ElDinero Wrote:(December 3, 2011 at 12:00 am)Hoptoad Wrote: You can have some of mine if you like, I have plenty spare.
It was a warning of what was to come and has come. How would a small time preacher know that?
Do I live by all the teachings, no, I am not a preacher, I have not abandoned my family nor will I. I am just an ordinary bloke doing the best he can, living according to a philosophy he has found to work.
Huh? What are you yammering about? Have you forgotten what your original quote was?
(November 30, 2011 at 10:52 pm)Hoptoad Wrote: Let me give an example, Christ said love your fellow man, he didn't say except for, or only if.
That's a lot of people, all of them. It's a big concept I am sure you can see the problems with it. But when you start limiting that care that respect to only the groups and individuals you approve of, then you open the door to hating the ones you don't.
So that's what I do, I try to think like that, to live like that.
You are saying that you believe the words of Christ are true, and that's why you follow him. Now you say you don't follow ALL his teachings. So how do you choose which ones to follow and which not to follow?
The part I find most hilarious is that in the same breath you say 'I don't live by all the teachings' and then 'Living according to a philosophy he has found to work', even though you have JUST SAID that you don't! You don't live by that philosophy at all, you pick and choose the bits you like, same as literally every other theist does. Must try harder.
On the 'bringing a sword', I really hope you're not implying that making that statement is any kind of evidence that Christ could predict the future. Not many people cling to that particular quote as a prophecy. That would be utterly ridiculous.
Also, there's a couple of free will threads kicking around. Care to give an example of someone utilising free will?
Was I yammering possibly, I was well bushed that night.
I am glad you got a laugh out of it. How do I choose, I go where I am led, of my own free will Christians are not slaves you know. If I can refer to the post to Rhythm, the teachings are guide lines seen through the perspective of love God and love your fellow man. They have to relate to you and the life you live, we are all individuals all seven billion of us each with a different life seeing the world with different eyes.
The bible what is it off it's self. It was created as a guide on how to be a Christian long ago. That's how I see it, a guide as is which ever church a person may join, a guide. Not an ending, not a total answer, a start, your life is the learning process, it helps you see through the smoke and mirrors, the rest becomes clear over time with a bit of guidance.
Does the philosophy work. In my own life it has so far I have had everything it promised me, in more than twenty years it has not let me down.
Well if Christ didn't prophesy he must have been a bloody good guesser, he got such a lot right.
I probably will comment on the free will threads. Because, there where two nuns driving down a country road one night, sister Agnes and sister Mary. When suddenly a vampire jumped out on to the bonnet of the car, sister Mary turned to sister Agnes in panic and said quick sister Agnes show him your cross. So sister Agnes wound down the window and shouted, bugger off you big toothed bastard. If you can tell me the causal reasons I told that peculiar old joke at this time on this thread and why I thought it your a better man than me.
(December 3, 2011 at 7:45 am)lucent Wrote:(November 28, 2011 at 11:03 pm)Hoptoad Wrote: Introducing, Hoptoad, How de do.
Simple Christian, simple not stupid. Religious history so far, Atheist to Agnostic to Christian to what I am now, Christianity without the embellishments.
Age, oldish well, more old than ish.
Posting habits, I live a full and chaotic life, I post from a number of places, using different equipment some of it is fairly primitive so sometimes I am unable to view video and other problems. My posts will probably be few and erratic, sometimes I will vanish for weeks on end without warning, which is annoying when you are in a discussion, it will happen so apologies in advance.
My sense of humor sometimes gets the better of me, don't take it personally I mean no harm.
So why a Christian on a Atheist forum, I was wandering past and saw the welcome mat so I thought I would take a nosey. Also I like Atheists, they ask some interesting questions, they also ask some stupid questions but you can ignore those. The forum has some good theists (they would have to be) and a good science section. So I will give it a try.
So that's Hoptoad, just an ordinary bloke.
Oh, and I am a smiley snob, I wont use the bugger's.
Welcome, brother. Just remember this verse and you'll do fine:
Matthew 5:11
“Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account.
Thank you for the welcome , brother. You may not agree with some of the things I say or the reasoning or way I use it, for that I apologise. I have my path as you have yours, do not let me deflect you from yours, we are both heading in the same direction.
(December 3, 2011 at 6:03 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: Mmmm, well sweet pea that's a noble purpose but unfortunately too many Christians hear the questions and shove their fingers in their ears saying LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA! Side stepping is a common tactic...or ignoring...or deliberate evasiveness...or purposeful misinterpretation...
We have an entire "Did dinosaurs exist" thread to show how "questioning" doesn't really lead to much more than a circle jerk with some of them.
True enough, but Christians are not alone in that, some atheists also participate in that particular behaviour.
Other than a very oblique reference to the serpent being cast on it's belly, which makes you wonder what it was removed so it had to crawl, There is no reference I am aware of but I wouldn't expect any. The bible is not the sum total of all human knowledge, if it was it would not be a book it would be a library.
(December 3, 2011 at 10:18 am)Rhythm Wrote: Looks like jesus knew that people would call bullshit. Of course he would, since he knew he was spouting bullshit. You're not describing prophecy, you're describing a successful con.
Oh he knew some people would say that, I find it is easer for an honest man to spot bulshit, once he has heard enough than for a bullshiter. They are often fooled by their own bullshit.
