(April 1, 2023 at 9:48 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:(April 1, 2023 at 8:22 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: Not really. I was talking about the more ordinary people. Not intellectuals. In sociology they refer to this as “The demystification of the world”. And I think it happened mostly in the beginning of the 20th century.
So I’m talking about a change in paradigm. I think you are understanding.
There is a good source on the issue of martyrdom:
It says:
“We may therefore conclude that there is neither jihad nor martyrdom outside the realm of truth, that martyrdom applies only when it is preceded by jihad, that jihad is an inclusive struggle for the cause of the truth, that a mujahid dies the death of a martyr even though he does not fall on the battlefield. He dies as a martyr even though he is not killed, on the condition that he stays loyal to the divine truth and stands ready to fight for the truth and to defend it at all costs, even at the cost of his own life. He is a mujahid while he lives, and a martyr if he dies or is killed for it.”
https://www.al-islam.org/al-serat/vol-12...rdom-islam
You can conclude whatever you like, but mere reality stands in the way of that conclusion. I'm all for contemporary abrahamics finding whatever way they can to reject the ridiculous shit their magic books contend while still feeling faithful - ofc. Still, I think it's a fucking tragedy if the best islamic academics you can grasp for come up with some risible self serving shit like that.
As for the opq, I think every religion with a heavy emphasis on afterlives is never more than one purity purge or bout of performative piety away from being a death cult. They're the incubators for death cults. So, is islam a death cult? I guess it depends on what day it is. Was it a really tough monday? Dial the death cult clock closer to midnight. Hope for a good tuesday.
I will refer you again to “The living Wisdom of the Tao” by Mr Wayne Dyer.
It’s the same thing for Konfucyus or the Dao-de-Jing. İf you just pick it and read it it’s just some nonsense + some old-style dictatorial philosophy (that’s how I saw it some 20 years ago).
But if you are a spiritual person (like me). And if you are seeking spiritual meaning in them, then you can find these spiritual teachings and learn some stuff.
Why are you comparing me with those complete maniacs and fanatics. They are just mad people. Like Anti-Abortionists in the US. They cannot even use their left- logical side of the brain so how can you expect them to use the right- emotional / creative side of their brain without doing any mistake.
I will stay firm on this. Religion is not a regressive phenomenon. It’s supposed to take you further in life. To help you see things beyond the real of pure reason. Because of this, illogical person are able to tap into it and sell their twisted ideologies as religion. That’s how I would describe it