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Is Islam A Death Cult?
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RE: Is Islam A Death Cult?
(April 12, 2023 at 11:45 am)Leonardo17 Wrote:
(April 10, 2023 at 10:14 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: Well, obviously in the islamic faith, dying for Islam is a high honor. The leaders want strongly devoted followers.
It is the same in christianity.

It isn't just the united statians that didn't like what the taliban and Al-quada was doing.
One of the issues is that they don't allow women to get an education.
But that isn't the primary reason why they went to Afghanistan. The primary reason is that Al-quada payed a visit to the USA and decided to randomly kill people. They also conducted attacks in other countries.
Since they are taking away lives, it makes sense to take away their (Taliban) lives.

The only problem is that all wars come down to resources. The USA and allies do not have the resources to kill all of Taliban or Al-quada.
It costs too much.
Also, they wanted Afghanistan to self govern and to handle the taliban. Looks like that didn't happen.
Looks like the taliban has a large population and lots of weapons.
Probably another factor is the Russia-USA problem that has been going on for 100 y or so. The USA chose to help the taliban when Soviet Russia wanted to invade Afganistan. It makes sense for Russia to help the Taliban. It is a “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” situation.

I think it would have been the best if no one entered Afghanistan in the very beginning. Did you know that there were even US companies investing if Afghanistan in the 50’s and that it was a more or less stable country until the soviet invasion in 1979? As Lao-Tzu puts it “Where there is war the land ceases to be fertile, only thorns will grow in the land and weapons will ultimately return toward those who first used them”. So the US armed the Taliban against the soviet, Than Russian armed the Taliban against the US. Both of them finally left the country. So what happens to all these people now?

I haven’t heard about US companies investing in Afghanistan but I am not surprised. The european type nations (more specifically businesses) have learned to invest in other countries probably before 1600. So, they have their foot in every country, every microscopic island that can’t even be seen on the world map.
Not that there is anything wrong with that.

I don’t know whether Afghanistan should be invaded or not. On one hand, eliminating the taliban would make a lot of people happy but you are also interfering with another culture. It might not be clear who is a taliban and who is not.
At this point in time, the Afghanistan people should self govern and fight the taliban rather than relying on the USA sending them soldiers.

Quote:On the interpretation of religion. There is one example that caught my attention today:

In one verse of the Quran it clearly says “Follow the advices of – those who are knowledgeable – “. To me this goes in line with an interpretation of Quran that states that true faith cannot coexist without a sense of deep respect and adherence to the facts that are stated by technology and positive sciences.


Well, it doesn’t exactly take a genius to write something like “follow the advice of those who are experienced, follow the advice of those who have knowledge on topic X.”
As for science and technology, they proved themselves useful to the masses for about 200 y, so they gained the general population’s respect.
There are anti-vaxers and anti-bigpharma boys. This seems to be a recent phenomenom (started in 199x?) I think these guys think that pharmaceutical companies want to make money and therefore, they design drugs to treat symptoms rather than permanently solve diseases.
Or, they produce drugs that are not well tested (thalodomide incident).
Or, the drugs (vaccine) contain dangerous substances to harm people (mercury compounds, aluminium hydroxide, iron particles, the 666 number, embryonic cells, mouse brain cells).

Quote:For this reason: I think that atheism might simply be the best way of doing things in our time. The problem with all religion and spiritual teaching is that we live in an age when people still like to use things, to do other things. So finding your way through all sorts of distortions and misunderstandings is not always an easy task. So the more simple approach is to not get into these things. And in spiritual terms (as far as I know): Being an atheist or an agnostically person is better (much better) than being fooled into a distorted version of any religion. In the Quran it says: “May those who fool you not fool you with God” (that’s the exact expression).

Atheism is an empty bag just like theism is an empty bag.
One means “A guy who does not believe in any gods” and the other means “A guy who believes in 1 or more gods”.

Atheism is not a philosophy or a set of moral rules.
For moral rules, there is something called secular humanism.
It starts with inviting everyone, women included, and you discuss which rules a society should have.


Quote:So it may take generations, before we get to a widely practiced and correct interpretation of religion across the world. But I think we will get there at some point. Until then, don’t join Al-Qaida and (try) not to harass women in front of abortion clinics Smile


That is unlikely.
Maybe you can get into a time machine and go back to 600 and bring Mohamed here and he can tell us his interpretation and maybe every muslim will be united.
You can also bring back Jesus and so, every christian will be united.
You can also bring back Moses and so, every jew will be united.

The reality is that when the master leader (the inventor of the religion dies), the followers eventually setup their own schools (which they call church, synagogue, mosque and other words) and start disagreeing and eventually, you get a fragmented religion.
The fragments never merge.
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Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Goosebump - April 1, 2023 at 5:07 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 1, 2023 at 7:37 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2023 at 8:10 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 1, 2023 at 8:22 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Goosebump - April 1, 2023 at 8:42 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 9, 2023 at 10:08 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Goosebump - April 1, 2023 at 8:20 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by no one - April 1, 2023 at 8:38 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2023 at 9:48 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 9, 2023 at 10:15 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Goosebump - April 1, 2023 at 10:14 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Fireball - April 4, 2023 at 9:23 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 9, 2023 at 10:37 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by no one - April 1, 2023 at 10:31 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by The Valkyrie - April 1, 2023 at 2:31 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 9, 2023 at 10:27 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Ferrocyanide - April 2, 2023 at 2:33 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Goosebump - April 3, 2023 at 3:01 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 9, 2023 at 10:29 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Rev. Rye - April 3, 2023 at 3:39 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by WinterHold - April 4, 2023 at 9:13 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 9, 2023 at 10:35 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by WinterHold - April 9, 2023 at 12:29 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Ferrocyanide - April 10, 2023 at 10:14 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by WinterHold - April 11, 2023 at 12:48 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 11, 2023 at 12:57 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Ferrocyanide - April 15, 2023 at 1:07 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 18, 2023 at 8:10 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Ferrocyanide - April 22, 2023 at 11:34 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 29, 2023 at 2:39 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 12, 2023 at 11:45 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Ferrocyanide - April 15, 2023 at 2:05 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 18, 2023 at 8:16 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2023 at 9:17 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by WinterHold - April 4, 2023 at 9:22 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 9, 2023 at 10:36 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2023 at 9:26 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by WinterHold - April 4, 2023 at 9:40 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 9, 2023 at 10:40 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Anomalocaris - April 9, 2023 at 11:01 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 12, 2023 at 11:22 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Anomalocaris - April 12, 2023 at 5:19 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 18, 2023 at 8:01 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by WinterHold - April 9, 2023 at 12:36 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2023 at 9:45 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 9, 2023 at 10:43 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by The Architect Of Fate - April 9, 2023 at 1:32 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by The Grand Nudger - April 12, 2023 at 8:56 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by The Grand Nudger - April 12, 2023 at 11:42 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by The Grand Nudger - April 12, 2023 at 11:56 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 18, 2023 at 7:48 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2023 at 8:26 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 20, 2023 at 9:01 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 20, 2023 at 4:28 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 21, 2023 at 4:08 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by The Grand Nudger - April 20, 2023 at 3:57 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 21, 2023 at 4:02 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by The Grand Nudger - April 21, 2023 at 11:03 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 21, 2023 at 4:15 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by The Grand Nudger - April 21, 2023 at 5:00 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Niblo - May 10, 2023 at 10:42 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Angrboda - May 10, 2023 at 10:46 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Niblo - May 10, 2023 at 11:06 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by arewethereyet - May 10, 2023 at 11:21 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Niblo - May 13, 2023 at 8:05 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Angrboda - May 13, 2023 at 8:47 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Niblo - May 13, 2023 at 8:55 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Angrboda - May 13, 2023 at 9:01 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Niblo - May 13, 2023 at 9:41 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Angrboda - May 13, 2023 at 10:05 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Niblo - May 13, 2023 at 11:18 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Angrboda - May 13, 2023 at 11:36 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Niblo - May 13, 2023 at 12:10 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Angrboda - May 13, 2023 at 12:48 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by The Grand Nudger - May 13, 2023 at 9:36 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by The Grand Nudger - May 13, 2023 at 4:46 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Niblo - May 29, 2023 at 3:00 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by KerimF - May 14, 2023 at 1:41 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by A. Secular Human - May 15, 2023 at 7:25 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by KerimF - May 16, 2023 at 12:10 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Niblo - May 29, 2023 at 3:02 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Niblo - May 29, 2023 at 3:03 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Niblo - May 29, 2023 at 3:08 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Niblo - May 29, 2023 at 3:09 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Niblo - May 29, 2023 at 3:10 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Niblo - May 29, 2023 at 3:11 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Niblo - May 29, 2023 at 3:12 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 29, 2023 at 5:48 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Niblo - May 29, 2023 at 6:12 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 29, 2023 at 6:19 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by arewethereyet - May 29, 2023 at 7:00 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Niblo - May 29, 2023 at 7:13 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by The Grand Nudger - May 29, 2023 at 7:30 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by bondlillian - June 23, 2023 at 10:07 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 23, 2023 at 12:29 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by brewer - June 23, 2023 at 3:34 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by bondlillian - June 29, 2023 at 4:57 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by The Grand Nudger - June 23, 2023 at 12:36 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by The Grand Nudger - June 29, 2023 at 9:48 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 29, 2023 at 11:40 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by The Grand Nudger - June 29, 2023 at 12:23 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - October 25, 2023 at 2:19 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - October 26, 2023 at 6:13 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - October 26, 2023 at 5:59 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by brewer - October 26, 2023 at 6:31 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - October 27, 2023 at 5:59 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - October 29, 2023 at 5:54 am

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