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Is Islam A Death Cult?
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RE: Is Islam A Death Cult?
(April 12, 2023 at 5:19 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(April 12, 2023 at 11:22 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: …and the cause of this was the very brutal nature of the empire since its beginning. A legionary would enlist in the Roman army for a period of 25 years. In modern language that’s a death sentence. The term “decimation” is a practice that existed in that Era. If a military unit lacked discipline, they would kill every 10th man in that unit. Crucifixion was a real practice. Those who dares to follow the rebel slave Spartacus (6000 of them) were crucified along the road from Rome to south Italy. So yes, they were the major civilizing force of the world at the time. But no they were as brutal (perhaps more brutal) than any other power-based empire that followed them in the middle ages. Their economy was 100% based on slave labor and their power was based on a military machine that was designed to conquer and conquer and conquer. Just think of the size of their dominion. Why would anyone want to have such a huge amount of territory without having sailing methods or motorized vehicles? (We’re talking of an era in which it took perhaps a week or two to move from one city to the other.
 
So whatever. Maybe they were doomed to crumble at some point anyway Smile

almost nothing in that is really true.    During the period when Rome made her most critical conquests during the republic, the legions consisted of land owning farmers who were levied to served terms ranging from one year to several years depending on military need, and discharged when the military need passed.     Only after Marian reforms did the legions began to be manned by landless poor, even then they still served only for the duration.  Only during the empire did legions consisted largely of urban and landless poor who signed up to serve a contract period of 20 years.     
20 years was not a death sentence, because legionaries enlist at 18 and is discharged before they are 40.   Even in the age when overall life expectancy is around 35 years thanks to high infant mortality, those who live past infancy and childhood can still look forward to living into their 60s.   so a man who lived to 18 to enlist in the legions can expect to live 20-30 more years after he completed his 20 year term.  we have evidence that vast majority of legionaries lived to retirement during early to middle empire.    indeed service in the legions was considered a sure way for the young indigent poor in the roman world to achieve upward economic and social mobility because savings from their service pay, plus their discharge bonuses is enough to enable the discharged legionary to start a family on a plot of land that is usually part of their discharge bonus and maintain at least a lower middle class living from its fruits.   
decimation is a real punishment for units which had shown collective cowardess before the enemy.    but this punishment is recorded to have been carried out only a handful of times during the entire roman history.   each instance was considered an exception event worthy of note across the roman world.  In many of these instances when the punishment was  carried out, it was mitigated by selecting a total of 10 men from the offending unit to be executed instead of executing every tenth man from the unit.
Roman empire depended heavily on slave labor, but was never close to being “100%” dependent on slave labor.  in fact slaves made up only 10-20% of the total population of the roman empire.   In the pre-industrial age a rule of thumb is it takes at least 2 people’s labor to feed 3 people, including themselves.   so even if all slaves worked in agriculture they could still only have kept at most 1/3 of the roman empire fed.   The rest of the empire depended on freeman labor.

I will only object to the last part. In the First century Slaves constituted 20 to 30 % of Italy’s population. And a good Hollywood movie on that is the movies called “Spartacus”. And maybe this was the reality of the time. In the Middle Ages Europe switched to serfdom which again were basically slave who were tied to their land (and their landlord).
 
But again, in modern standards, or when compared to previous cultures of the Bronze Age (like Egypt for instance) or even like Classical Greek culture they were very brutal indeed. Spartans also relied on some sort of serfdom system. But even Hellenistic cultures did not rely on slave labor as excessively as the Romans.
 
+ Gladiators combats in the Early republic and Kingdom of Rome were only fought between two men (usually slaves) in order to honor the death of some exclusive individual. Then they became like the Mayas and started to make people kill one another just for the purpose of entertainment.
 
Of course I’m making this criticism from an age in which people want to ban bull-fights in southern Europe because people think it’s completely uncivilized to kill animals like that.
 
+ Many Roman Emperors where portrayed as “Philhellene” that is “Lovers of Hellenism”. Any way, they are dead and gone and no one is really missing them in our times. There is this serie on Netflix called “Barbarians”. I thing they were not treating themselves and/or anyone else in a completely civilized manner. But that’s my personal opinion Smile
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Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Goosebump - April 1, 2023 at 5:07 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 1, 2023 at 7:37 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2023 at 8:10 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 1, 2023 at 8:22 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Goosebump - April 1, 2023 at 8:42 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 9, 2023 at 10:08 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Goosebump - April 1, 2023 at 8:20 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by no one - April 1, 2023 at 8:38 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2023 at 9:48 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 9, 2023 at 10:15 am
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RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Fireball - April 4, 2023 at 9:23 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 9, 2023 at 10:37 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by no one - April 1, 2023 at 10:31 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by The Valkyrie - April 1, 2023 at 2:31 pm
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RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Goosebump - April 3, 2023 at 3:01 am
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RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by WinterHold - April 4, 2023 at 9:13 pm
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RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Anomalocaris - April 12, 2023 at 5:19 pm
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RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 18, 2023 at 7:48 am
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